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by roundabout-host 3mo ago
I agree to prohibit them in schools, but at home it should be the family's decision.
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by roundabout-host 3mo ago
They are doing something which is not a solution but can fake being a solution, so that the masses will accept it. An actual solution would be to regulate these social media, to prohibit addictive and manipulative algorithms.
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by roundabout-host 3mo ago
There are experimental mobile platforms, and they work fine. They won't appeal to the mass-market but there's really no reason to disallow them.
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by roundabout-host 3mo ago
Exactly. The app is only inclusive if it is accessible over a standard protocol (Web) without "attestation", so that it works for any platform. If I release a GNU/Linux distribution tomorrow, I should be able to use the app o
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by roundabout-host 3mo ago
It requires a government-authorised "age verification" "app", but it does not require that it is accessible through standard protocols, so that it can work on any platform. In practice, the governments will only make it
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by roundabout-host 3mo ago
The German implementation allows it for some uses, but not for "age verification". The demo does not account for the fact that other options may exist.
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by roundabout-host 3mo ago
What you can do with the ID app, you can also do on paper (if not with a Web service), except "age verification".
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by roundabout-host 3mo ago
It is possible for e-signatures and similar variants. However, there is no sign that the "age verification" will support this variant. If you go to the demo < https://cinema.ageverification.dev >, no option is give
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by roundabout-host 3mo ago
"only if you choose to share your personal data with either Google or Apple"?
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by roundabout-host 3mo ago
Maybe it depends on how you frame it. > Social media is destroying children's brains! Do you want access to be delayed until a certain age? > Do you want children under a certain age to be banned from social media, which means th
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by roundabout-host 3mo ago
Since it requires Android or iOS, Google/Apple can gather the same data too.
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by roundabout-host 3mo ago
I don't understand. Even if you run GNU/Linux, when you access a restricted website on it, you will have to scan a QR code with the Android or iOS app. < https://cinema.ageverification.dev > is a demo which shows t
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by roundabout-host 3mo ago
They are.
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by roundabout-host 3mo ago
Android derivatives are not considered enough, because they will not be Google-attested, so the app will refuse them.
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by roundabout-host 3mo ago
The spec mandates mobile versions to exist, and not PC ones. While a PC version can be provided, no government will do that, because they will do the bare minimum.
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by roundabout-host 3mo ago
This is a problem, but not the only one. The biggest one is that the phones in question are locked and deny user freedom. I would not be content with an European "alternative", but which is as locked as iOS.
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by roundabout-host 3mo ago
In the thread you will find many examples of national implementations which do require attestation. It was removed from the README as a PR measure, but in practice the specification does not prohibit it, so national implementations will sti
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by roundabout-host 3mo ago
It used to say that, it was removed as a PR measure, while in practice the national implementations (as you do not use this app, but a national one) require it, because the specification only mandates Android/iOS versions to be provide
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by roundabout-host 3mo ago
Well, the plan is for it to be the only one. And even if it isn't, what's the alternative? Persona again? No thanks. They could have helped and made an alternative version of this system which used the ID chip plugged into a deskt
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by roundabout-host 3mo ago
They probably think that they do not use "social media" either, so it does not affect them. But elders are not the only category. In any case, it is fundamentally wrong to be forced to use a specific platform, American or European
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by roundabout-host 3mo ago
Children die from wrongly-prepared food, thus we should only allow people to eat at McDonald's from now on! /s
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by roundabout-host 3mo ago
In fact, it requires attestation: even if you install Google Play on some Android in an emulator/container/VM, on an alternative Android distro or in a rooted device, the app will not accept it.
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by roundabout-host 3mo ago
The "app" could be a good solution, if it didn't require attested Android or iOS. It could, for example, have me plug my ID chip into my GNU/Linux system and expose it with a standard protocol. That would be no problem.
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by roundabout-host 3mo ago
Regardless of whether you personally use Android or iOS, I think that we can all agree that it is not right to be forced to use a specific platform in order to access almost any Internet services.
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European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS(github.com)
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