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Wow this post is #208 on HN: https://i.imgur.com/e4lQko4.png https://i.imgur.com/e4lQko4.png It's only an hour old. The post must've been flagged, which I know

by rhaksw 4y ago

Wow this post is #208 on HN: https://i.imgur.com/e4lQko4.png https://i.imgur.com/e4lQko4.png It's only an hour old. The post must've been flagged, which I know has a pretty heavy influence on the ranking here. For those flagging, this conversation is worth having. Whether platforms secretly demote people's content is important to them.

godels_theorem 4y ago
Or shadowbanned, like me.
- rhaksw 4y ago
  Sadly, many don't even notice full account shadowbans [1] [2]. But account-level shadowbans are sort of known to exist. What's being reported here is harder to detect. That is, the secretive removal of individual pieces of content, or reducing the reach of an account's content. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/351buo/tifu_by_posting_for_three_years_and_just_now/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/351buo/tifu_by_postin... [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/comments/8z3sd4/i_have_used_reddit_for_4_years_without_knowing_i/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/comments/8z3sd4/i_have_used_red...
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NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
How did you even find it? I only found it trying to submit it because I didn't see it. And HN loves posting dirt on tech companies here - understandably so - because a lot of it is highly technical. So this being absent is really suspicious. Like, I'd love to know how they implemented the "Trends Blacklist". In the years older leak I had assumed that it was on the trending terms, but Weiss revealed that it was targeting people and tweets. Or the "Search blacklist". That's basically sabotaging your own search function so that things that are popular/relevant/trending are hidden. That makes no sense for an platform to even do for anything other than censorship of people on purpose. Or what does "Do Not Amplify" do? Does that mean they do amplify other things, but never want these accounts to be amplified by that process? How was that implemented? Musk just tweeted: "Twitter is working on a software update that will show your true account status, so you know clearly if you’ve been shadowbanned, the reason why and how to appeal" That'll be good to see. Exposing this stuff to the people affected is just...good faith interaction with your users. I'm sure a lot of people are going to be justifiably mad. I wonder what this will do to twitter's stock price...
- rhaksw 4y ago
  > How did you even find it? When you submit with the same link, HN brings you to the post. I'm pretty into this topic, having spent the last four years trying to raise awareness about it. First I thought it was only one political side abusing it, then I thought it was only Reddit, and this summer I realized it was happening on every platform. I suppose others have known for longer but FWIW this is a talk I gave on what I know [1], and an HN discussion on it [2]. See also my other comment in this thread about where else it happens [3]. It's hard to figure out how to tell the story about what's going on because it keeps expanding. I've learned something new about this almost every day for a long time. I think it does boil down to a single point though, which may be treat others how you want to be treated. That doesn't always win out in the real world, but it does when the issue is big enough. [1] https://cantsayanything.win/2022-10-transparent-moderation/ https://cantsayanything.win/2022-10-transparent-moderation/ [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33475391 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33475391 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33916414 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33916414
- weberer 4y ago
  >How did you even find it? I saw it in the HN Telegram feed. Stories that get taken down here remain on the feed. https://t.me/hacker_news_feed https://t.me/hacker_news_feed
afavour 4y ago
> For those flagging, this conversation is worth having. Whether platforms secretly demote people's content is important to them. It is an important topic but the Twitter thread linked is not a particularly useful resource. For one, none of this is new information: https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgxd3d/twitter-insider-access-panel-account-hacks-biden-uber-bezos https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgxd3d/twitter-insider-acces... That it’s being brought out now with such fanfare smells like corporate propaganda.
- rhaksw 4y ago
  > none of this is new information It is news to many when social media takes action against content without telling the author: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33916519 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33916519
  - afavour 4y ago
    It’s also not new news that Twitter did this. Elon recently pledged to do exactly this!
    - rhaksw 4y ago
      Indeed he did suggest "free speech doesn't equal free reach". If we're now saying that statement is bad then we should hold his feet to the fire. Conflicting statements doesn't mean there is no principle to espouse; it just means there are conflicting statements.
    - chucky123 4y ago
      Exactly! I though this thread was part of Elon's pledge.
LAC-Tech 4y ago
I noticed all the twitter posts disappeared on HN after the trump ban was lifted. Not sure if it's a coincidence or active policy.
- MrMan 4y ago
  you should get Musk to organize a brigade of his followers against dang and HN.
  - LAC-Tech 4y ago
    Great suggestion, I'll call him up now.
Markoff 4y ago
...which is why I avoid HN homepage and read it through Serializer.io (set only HN content) which also allows syncing through unique URL across devices. HN homepage is incredibly brigaded, but since it's in line with admins opinions they don't do anything about it.

by rhaksw 4y ago

godels_theorem 4y ago

Or shadowbanned, like me.

rhaksw 4y ago
Sadly, many don't even notice full account shadowbans [1] [2]. But account-level shadowbans are sort of known to exist. What's being reported here is harder to detect. That is, the secretive removal of individual pieces of content, or reducing the reach of an account's content. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/351buo/tifu_by_posting_for_three_years_and_just_now/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/351buo/tifu_by_postin... [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/comments/8z3sd4/i_have_used_reddit_for_4_years_without_knowing_i/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/comments/8z3sd4/i_have_used_red...
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NaturalPhallacy 4y ago

How did you even find it? I only found it trying to submit it because I didn't see it. And HN loves posting dirt on tech companies here - understandably so - because a lot of it is highly technical. So this being absent is really suspicious. Like, I'd love to know how they implemented the "Trends Blacklist". In the years older leak I had assumed that it was on the trending terms, but Weiss revealed that it was targeting people and tweets. Or the "Search blacklist". That's basically sabotaging your own search function so that things that are popular/relevant/trending are hidden. That makes no sense for an platform to even do for anything other than censorship of people on purpose. Or what does "Do Not Amplify" do? Does that mean they do amplify other things, but never want these accounts to be amplified by that process? How was that implemented? Musk just tweeted: "Twitter is working on a software update that will show your true account status, so you know clearly if you’ve been shadowbanned, the reason why and how to appeal" That'll be good to see. Exposing this stuff to the people affected is just...good faith interaction with your users. I'm sure a lot of people are going to be justifiably mad. I wonder what this will do to twitter's stock price...

rhaksw 4y ago
> How did you even find it? When you submit with the same link, HN brings you to the post. I'm pretty into this topic, having spent the last four years trying to raise awareness about it. First I thought it was only one political side abusing it, then I thought it was only Reddit, and this summer I realized it was happening on every platform. I suppose others have known for longer but FWIW this is a talk I gave on what I know [1], and an HN discussion on it [2]. See also my other comment in this thread about where else it happens [3]. It's hard to figure out how to tell the story about what's going on because it keeps expanding. I've learned something new about this almost every day for a long time. I think it does boil down to a single point though, which may be treat others how you want to be treated. That doesn't always win out in the real world, but it does when the issue is big enough. [1] https://cantsayanything.win/2022-10-transparent-moderation/ https://cantsayanything.win/2022-10-transparent-moderation/ [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33475391 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33475391 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33916414 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33916414
weberer 4y ago
>How did you even find it? I saw it in the HN Telegram feed. Stories that get taken down here remain on the feed. https://t.me/hacker_news_feed https://t.me/hacker_news_feed

afavour 4y ago

> For those flagging, this conversation is worth having. Whether platforms secretly demote people's content is important to them. It is an important topic but the Twitter thread linked is not a particularly useful resource. For one, none of this is new information: https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgxd3d/twitter-insider-access-panel-account-hacks-biden-uber-bezos https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgxd3d/twitter-insider-acces... That it’s being brought out now with such fanfare smells like corporate propaganda.

rhaksw 4y ago
> none of this is new information It is news to many when social media takes action against content without telling the author: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33916519 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33916519
- afavour 4y ago
  It’s also not new news that Twitter did this. Elon recently pledged to do exactly this!
  - rhaksw 4y ago
    Indeed he did suggest "free speech doesn't equal free reach". If we're now saying that statement is bad then we should hold his feet to the fire. Conflicting statements doesn't mean there is no principle to espouse; it just means there are conflicting statements.
  - chucky123 4y ago
    Exactly! I though this thread was part of Elon's pledge.

LAC-Tech 4y ago

I noticed all the twitter posts disappeared on HN after the trump ban was lifted. Not sure if it's a coincidence or active policy.

MrMan 4y ago
you should get Musk to organize a brigade of his followers against dang and HN.
- LAC-Tech 4y ago
  Great suggestion, I'll call him up now.

Markoff 4y ago

...which is why I avoid HN homepage and read it through Serializer.io (set only HN content) which also allows syncing through unique URL across devices. HN homepage is incredibly brigaded, but since it's in line with admins opinions they don't do anything about it.