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rchmura
11y ago
Here's a A summary of some of my previous comments on this: The bulk of information about you isn't associated with your account. (or in some personal way) Rather, it's stored in other silos associated with a non-account iden
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rchmura
11y ago
A couple concepts here: Associating data with your account: This is misleading, because the bulk of information about you isn't associated with your account. Rather, it's stored in other silos associated with a non-account identi
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rchmura
11y ago
Answer to "How": (Copied from another comment of mine) a) The smaller company would have lower margins because they invest much more in superior materials, QA, R&D, etc. Where the larger company has an advantage because they
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rchmura
11y ago
chestnut-tree, earlier in this thread wrote up some great examples. No unfounded criticism here; lots of research in this area. I'm not sure why you feel it sounded that way.
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rchmura
11y ago
You are asking for a publicly available document showing the architecture of Google + Analytics + Doubleclick + Adwords... I can't get that, but other than doing experiments; you could do what I did when I first found out which is go
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rchmura
11y ago
That data is being sent on the original load of the Javascript file. Please refer to this section of the article: "To summarize: When google opt-out is enabled. Google still collects." (you will see a list of all the data includ
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rchmura
11y ago
I think there is a big difference here between distinguishing "is this an ad? y/n" vs "is this an allowed ad? y/n"
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rchmura
11y ago
Useful and obtrusive are not mutually exclusive. Is it useful to have only large companies with large ad budgets peddle a slight iteration to their product line as "the next best thing", while smaller companies with a really grea
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rchmura
11y ago
From OPs article: > the google analytics blocker does not stop your browser talking to google-analytics.com. Period. That excerpt explains that it's not actually stopping any data from being sent. Thus it's not actually optin
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rchmura
11y ago
It's not speculation. Are you asking for more of a deeper explanation of how the internal API works, or do you want to see published papers/links about it? Google doesn't publicly document the "Google Analytics Interna
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rchmura
11y ago
Your report will have 0s for those users. Ideally your SaaS web app should use another tool for tracking analytics data instead. Google is a bad choice because you are basically tagging all your customers as "Dear marketers, please ad
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rchmura
11y ago
What are better ads? Are they ads that really connect with you? Do they change your behavior in some significant way? What makes ads better for the consumer? What makes ads better for the marketer? My answer is that what's good fo
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rchmura
11y ago
Are you looking for examples of entire policies or do you mean misleading sentences? Are you not sure why I find them misleading (based on OPs example, et. al.), or do you disagree and find them to not be misleading?
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rchmura
11y ago
Adblock is unfair because the "unintrusive ads" aren't that - they are just "companies who have paid more to have their ads shown - ads". I would say that's both unfair and terrible because a) it disavantages
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rchmura
11y ago
OPs linked article reinforces his point. The opt-out doesn't work- because they are not opting out and data is still being sent. (nevermind how that flag is set and Google is learning more about you despite your traffic no showing in
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rchmura
11y ago
I'm pointing out that "Google" and "Google Analytics" are separate and that when your data is collected "Google" gets it, processes it and then pushes the refined data to "Google Analytics". The
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rchmura
11y ago
The tag manager does. The code you are linking to is a developer reference for the raw tracking code. The tag manager has a "noscript" tag that points to an iframe with the domain googletagmanager.com
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rchmura
11y ago
Could be both. I looks like it was just made a long time ago with older design standards. It is commonly used in discussion & feature comparison to make people think that they can opt out. Even implying that webmasters have some cont
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11y ago
It's more than a PR stunt - it's actually misleading people into thinking that there are tools which can reduce or block the data that is sent to google - when in fact this tool doesn't do that at all. This tool only stops t
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rchmura
11y ago
Be careful because the Google Analytics code (newest version includes a noscript section that loads an iframe within it) - No script will not block that.
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11y ago
What about the doubleclick domains and adwords domains which feed the same data into the same system too? And what about when they launch a new domain? (Would be difficult to keep up with those changes)
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rchmura
11y ago
Yes, it still works that way. (Downloads both the JavaScript file and the pixel)
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rchmura
11y ago
Yes - good resource. All of Google's TOS/Privacy-Polcies are so full of vague and misleading legal speak (on purpose of course), I'm not surprised that OP was tricked.
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rchmura
11y ago
That doesn't do what you think it does. It only excludes your data from being included in Google Analytics reports that website owners "end users" see. All your data still goes to "the borg" as if nothing has real
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rchmura
11y ago
What do you mean by "pretty much independent" due to "antitrust concerns"? (Source?)
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rchmura
13y ago
Interesting. It seems like something that could and should be packaged into a simple JavaScript to reduce chatter and synchronous calls in the JavaScript pipeline rather than having a blocking server call. (So that it can be distributed a
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13y ago
Very true. I really want to see more companies taking the high road. It's unfortunate seeing the state of marketing. The food industry for example - people are not eating more healthy meals as a result.
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13y ago
Certainly. Discovery of alternative services is vastly different when learning through a friend who had a great experience (unpaid) as opposed to learning about a service through a carefully constructed (paid) marketing plan. Often the ma
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13y ago
I don't agree about "nefarious purposes". I think the shift of data about customers away from businesses and toward google is a telling sign of intentions: more data for google to sell (pre-packaged in some ad-retargeting de
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13y ago
To add to that, I would advise blocking even more than just that domain. I would even advise blocking all third-party static assets hosted on a google/doubleclick/etc. domain. (If there are assets that are needed to prevent brea
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