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961.
by pdimitar 2y ago
If it can't demand a living wage then senior programmers will not be doing it, leading to this software remaining defective. What _that_ will lead to we have no idea because we don't know what kind of software.
962.
by pdimitar 2y ago
Those are the right questions indeed, thank you for being one of the commenters who looks past the niche need of "I want to generate this and move along". I tried LLMs several times, even started using my phone's timers, and
963.
by pdimitar 2y ago
I would not mind having a junior type out the code, or so I thought for a while. But in the case of those of us who do deep work it simply turned out that proof-reading and correcting the generated code is more difficult than writing it out
964.
by pdimitar 2y ago
Absolutely. I agree with your take. It's just that I prefer to work in places where products are iterated on and not made once, tweaked twice, and then thrown out. There LLMs are for the moment not very interesting because you have to
965.
by pdimitar 2y ago
Yeah, and it's always in the future, right? ;) I don't disagree btw. Stuff that is very easy to automate will absolutely be swallowed by LLMs or any other tool that's the iteration #13718 of people trying to automate boring s
966.
by pdimitar 2y ago
Indeed, your blaming of me being arrogant is like a school yard indeed. You started it, you got called out, and are now acting superior. I owe you no grace if you started off the way you did in the other sub-thread. Go away, I don't wa
967.
by pdimitar 2y ago
And yet, zero proof again. Getting so worked up doesn't seem objective so it's difficult to take your comment seriously.
968.
by pdimitar 2y ago
Of course they came from playing. But did you have people claiming we have a general AI while basic programming building blocks were still on the operating table?
969.
by pdimitar 2y ago
Apparently I'm not. Elaborate?
970.
by pdimitar 2y ago
Anything might happen in the future. My issue is with people claiming we're already in this future, and their only proof is "I generated this one-off NextJS application with LLMs". Cool for you but a lot of us actually iterat
971.
by pdimitar 2y ago
If and only if it's a one-off. I already addressed this in my comment that you are replying to, and you and several others happily ignored it. Really no idea why.
972.
by pdimitar 2y ago
Where did I imply conspiracy? People have been known to turn a blind eye to criticism towards stuff they like ever since... forever. The funny thing about the rest of your comment is that I'm in full agreement with you but somehow you
973.
by pdimitar 2y ago
OK, do that. Seems like a case of FOMO to me but it might very well turn out that you're right and I'm wrong. However, that's absolutely not clear today.
974.
by pdimitar 2y ago
Why is it weird, exactly? I don't write throwaway projects so the mostly one-off nature of LLM code generation is not useful to me. And I'm not the only one either. If you can give examples of incredible usefulness then that can a
975.
by pdimitar 2y ago
Obviously not very hard. And looking at the blatant and unproven claims on HN gave me the view that the proponents are not interested in giving proof; they simply want to silence anyone who disagrees LLMs are useful for programming.
976.
by pdimitar 2y ago
You're the one who claimed that I'm arrogant and pulled that out of thin air. Take your own advice. I also have no idea what your comment here had to do with LLMs, will you elaborate?
977.
by pdimitar 2y ago
And I'll keep telling you that I never said I'm safe forever.
978.
by pdimitar 2y ago
Yep, quite correct. I am even fixing one small app currently that the business owner generated with ChatGPT. So this entire discussion here is doubly amusing for me.
979.
by pdimitar 2y ago
Yep. Still makes me wonder if they are not seeing the truth but just refusing to admit it.
980.
by pdimitar 2y ago
You are assuming I am arrogant because I don't view the current LLMs as good coders. That's a faulty assumption so your argument starts with a logical mistake. Also I never said that I "have no equal". I am saying that t
981.
by pdimitar 2y ago
I am sure it can change. Ultimately programming we be completely lost; we are going to hand-wave and command computers inside us or inside the walls of our houses. This absolutely will happen. But my issue is with people that claim we are e
982.
by pdimitar 2y ago
Nothing... just like yours. One anecdotal evidence does not nullify the other, and vice versa. You have your experience, I have mine. I even qualified my statements -- one of the languages I use is not very popular and thus statistical mode
983.
by pdimitar 2y ago
Yeah, very likely. It's the new gold rush, and they are commanding wages that make me drool (and also make me want to howl in pain and agony and envy but hey, let's not mention the obvious, shall we?). I always forget the name of
984.
by pdimitar 2y ago
Yep, as cynical and demeaning that must sound to them, I am arriving at the same conclusion.
985.
by pdimitar 2y ago
I never said we are working on new ideas only -- that's impossible. I even gave several examples of the traits that a commercial code must have and that LLMs fail to generate such code. Not sure why you ignored that.
986.
by pdimitar 2y ago
I have tried them a few times but they were only good at generating a few snippets. If you have scrutable and interesting examples, I am willing to look them up and try to apply them to my work.
987.
by pdimitar 2y ago
Agreed, but I can't imagine that everybody here on HN that's defending LLMs so... misguidedly and obviously ignoring observable reality... are financially interested in LLMs' success, can they?
988.
by pdimitar 2y ago
The cognitive dissonance of seemingly educated people defending the LLMs when it comes to writing code is my top mystery for the entirety of 2024. Call me if you find a good reason. I still have not.
989.
by pdimitar 2y ago
In other words, you have built exactly zero commercial-grade applications that us the working programmers work on building every day. LLMs are good for playing with stuff, yes, and that has been implied by your parent commenter as well I th
990.
by pdimitar 2y ago
Does it need part-time devs right now?

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