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Emacs is great - I used Paredit for years, and really learned to love the REPL in emacs. Actually, I still use Magit every day! I know there are many many people who have deeply invested in their environments, whether it's an editor, l
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9y ago
That is how it has gone for many languages, but it isn't the only way. Examples of languages that have gone differently include Java, Javascript, Erlang and Visual Basic. More generally, if we look at devtools adoption as a whole (and
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9y ago
Yes! this is the first step of many. We are definitely not ready for a beta yet, even a closed one.
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pbiggar
9y ago
TBH, we took inspiration from a ton of different places, including a lot from Clojure, Python, Elm and Rust, as well as Rails and Django. Dark is probably closest to an ML (like OCaml/ReasonML or Elm), with some interesting twists that
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9y ago
OCaml and Elm right now.
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9y ago
Thanks! If you have any things you think we should read, would love to see it. Internally, we build a Real World app ( https://github.com/gothinkster/realworld ) and some other stuff. It taught us a lot but not nearly as
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9y ago
Wow, that is an extremely dark language!
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9y ago
We're mindful of this. Our goal is making coding much easier, and obviously that will need libraries. Our plan is that in the early days we'll make it very clear what Dark is useful for, and what's outside of its capabilities
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9y ago
While it's hard to say how the business will go, that's not really the goal. We're trying to make coding much much easier, and the tight integration is part of that.
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9y ago
Good question. Conceptually, Dark is most similar to your django/aws example. There's a lot more types, though in a really good way. We're aiming for all the advantages of static typing, coupled with all the advantages of dyn
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9y ago
Sure, answered it here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16803660
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9y ago
1,2) Yes, agreed. 3) You're totally right: we're concerned about this and have been thinking about it a lot. Obviously, vendor lock-in is a disadvantage for us because it will hurt adoption, so we'd definitely prefer this was
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9y ago
Throw in Heroku and Firebase and we're nearly there :)
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pbiggar
9y ago
Great suggestion. We're not ready for that yet (hence our offer), but we'll definitely look into that!
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pbiggar
9y ago
Probably not as much as they'd need in advance. If they get in touch we can give more info and figure out if it's a fit. Edit: some more info here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16803660
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9y ago
Good question. I answered here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16803660
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9y ago
Long term, that's an open question! However, we're targeting utility pricing, not premium pricing. That said, since we're so early we really have no idea. For our first user, it'll be free for quite a while, and then we&
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9y ago
Lots of folks asking exactly what Dark is so answering separately. tl;dr Dark is a programming language and service. Our goal is to allow you to build backends without having to deal with the endless accidental complexity in software today.
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pbiggar
9y ago
Email us! If you let us know what it is you're doing we can help figure this out. eir@darklang.com Edit: a little more info here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16803660
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9y ago
Thanks, fixed!
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Apart from who'll have to fix it, I agree with you. This is a risk, and our software is early and buggy. That's why we're paying you to use it!
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9y ago
Thanks for the feedback! Eridius got it exactly right, but we'll work on the wording to make it clearer.
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9y ago
Edit: expanded my answer here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16803660
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9y ago
That's right - we're not offering a job. Most likely you'll have an incorporated startup and we'll be paying the startup.
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Exactly! We want lots of feedback and we think this is a mutually beneficial way of doing it.
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Our goal is to get in-person feedback from the first user of our product, so it does have to be in SF. In the future, we'll obviously open Dark up to everyone, but sadly not with the cash incentive :)
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9y ago
We don't really have policies on this as it's a new idea, but there's no reason we'd have restrictions around this I guess. It's your startup, work whenever you need to!
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OP here. Exactly, we're helping out, not funding you :) We're hoping there are some folks already in SF where we can help stretch their runway a little bit.
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We'll pay you $3000/mo to build your startup on Dark
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Consider how you would get yourself out of prison. In one of those countries, you pay the bribe. There's problems with that, but we know it's a bribe. In America, we can't bribe our way out of prison, because the corruption i
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