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by palata 5mo ago
How would it race to the bottom? Let's say you have deployed privacy-preserving age verification. How do you force privacy violations? I guess I see two directions: 1. "We have this system that works, but now we will throw it away
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by palata 5mo ago
> I'm suggesting to not help people make their bad ideas more palatable when the more palatable version is still unacceptable. That's where we disagree, I guess. I feel like the more palatable version, in this case, is debatabl
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by palata 5mo ago
What is "Swiss metro"? Curious now.
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by palata 5mo ago
Which is ironic, because my whole point is "if you want to fight it, try to be credible". Every bit of energy spent saying "it's fundamentally not possible to do that, you would have to be stupid to consider it" is,
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by palata 5mo ago
> Proof of this is that nobody can even agree And we have even worse examples: it's depressing to see how many people "don't believe" in the principle of vaccination. One may be tempted to say "people don't
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by palata 5mo ago
Possibly, yeah. The thing is, there is a lot of inertia in Europe, because it is a union of 27 countries. It's not that one election can change it all.
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by palata 5mo ago
Really? That makes me pretty proud :D.
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by palata 5mo ago
Well of course there is nationalism in Europe. The thing is, it weakens Europe. And nationalists outside of Europe are very happy to help them. Not only Russia: look at Elon Musk and his nazi salute and publicly endorsing neo-nazis in Germa
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by palata 5mo ago
I don't think it's new: dividing Europe makes Europe weaker, so if you are not Europe, it is generally in your interest to divide it. Be it Russia, China or the US. That is also why the nationalists inside of Europe want to be fri
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by palata 5mo ago
Agreed, but that's not how it was because of trust . And now it's changing because of lack of trust . It often feels like US people never trusted the EU and now feel offended when EU people say "we don't trust the US a
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by palata 5mo ago
> EU hate each other I see how it may look like this from the outside. But I think it would be like saying that siblings hate each other because you witnessed an argument. Most people in most EU countries consider the other EU countries
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by palata 5mo ago
I feel like the concern started getting popularised during the first Trump administration, because the US were overtly bullying the EU (and others of course). But the main change was that it was done overtly: before that the US has always b
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by palata 5mo ago
The thing, I believe, is that engineers are just people. They also have strong, uninformed opinions. It's not like every engineer is an expert in cryptography, right? For instance, there is a large consensus against ChatControl, agreei
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by palata 5mo ago
Doesn't it?
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by palata 6mo ago
> Not the least of which is that the vast majority of the tidalwave of legislation on the topic has zero to do with ZKPs. That's not what I see. I mostly see people complaining about the fact that "if they verify my age, it fun
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by palata 6mo ago
You obviously have no idea, and this really looks like a new account made for trolling (negative karma).
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by palata 6mo ago
That's my problem with the debate: people like you seem very proud to be uninformed. It exists as much as end-to-end encryption exists. It's cryptography, it's not up to debate. But people who have no clue are very vocal abou
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by palata 6mo ago
I think it's easier and safer to complain about everything than to actually have a nuanced and informed stance. Look at age verification: it's very easy and very safe to say "nobody sane would think that it is a good idea to
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by palata 6mo ago
> The sentiment that having to present our ID to use tiktok gives us the heebie-jeebies, and for good reason. So push for privacy-preserving age verification, such that you don't need to leak your ID to anyone but TikTok can still p
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by palata 6mo ago
Well and if you tell adults that they need to be regulated, they get pissed very, very quickly.
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by palata 6mo ago
Same as for the cigarette: it's a lot easier to regulate stuff for kids, because we as a society tend to agree that they need to be protected. Much harder to do with adults, because it is much less of a consensus.
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by palata 6mo ago
There are tons of politicians in many countries that oppose it. It's too easy to blame "the politicians" for everything. In democracies, politicians are elected. People just have to vote. You wanted facts? The US people chos
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by palata 6mo ago
> it still won't change the fact that the entire population is digitally surveilled 24/7 I agree that we are, I disagree that we are because all politicians are corrupt . Surveillance capitalism is the result of the private co
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by palata 6mo ago
> You're still just stating your opinions. No, I'm talking about cryptography. That is, maths. When I say that it is possible to encrypt a message in a way that only the receiver can read it, and the server relaying it cannot,
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by palata 6mo ago
I feel like it becomes bad faith at some point. With a sufficiently advanced attack, you can be personally identified today. ZKP for age verification does not make this worse, does it? It's a bit like saying "no but Signal is not
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by palata 6mo ago
Did you read about how it works? Can you precisely describe an attack that defeats it, or are you just throwing names you've heard without actually knowing how Privacy Pass works? Sounds like the latter to me (yes, I read the RFC).
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by palata 6mo ago
What I find ridiculous is to strongly believe that politicians are somehow all the same person, and therefore either all corrupt, or all fascists, or all... In a functioning democracy, politicians represent the people. Meaning that some pol
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by palata 6mo ago
Well, authoritarian governments don't like to be at the mercy of another country. So even for authoritarian governments it would make a lot of sense to allow open source alternatives like GrapheneOS instead of depending entirely on US
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by palata 6mo ago
The problem with "us" is that it's not enough to agree on one small question ("is hardware attestation good or bad") to happily live together in our own country. "We" have a wide variety of opinions about
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by palata 6mo ago
It's not completely fair. The US also bullies them into doing those things, it's not only "pure corruption to fill their pockets". How many European countries buy American weapons because they are scared of what would ha

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