palata

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by palata 6mo ago
> I think it is far more likely that it is a lack of knowledge and incompetence. I agree with that. Reading HN comments, where people are supposed to be generally tech-savvy, I see a ton of "lack of knowledge and incompetence"
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by palata 6mo ago
So ChatControl was accepted and is in the process of being implemented is what you say?
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by palata 6mo ago
Before thinking about corruption or malice, I like to try to assume good faith. And I see a couple things: 1. Most people don't write. 2. The people who write are not always competent. 3. The people who write often have an agenda, too.
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by palata 6mo ago
> At a certain point it begins to feel pointless. I think you're right that they are incompetent. The point is not to make them understand it, but rather to make them see that enough people care . The problem is that most people do
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by palata 6mo ago
Where did you write? Is there a link or something you could share? I am not in the EU so I assume I can't, but would be nice to share a link so that other EU citizen could write. If enough people write, they may start finding it releva
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by palata 6mo ago
> Remember ChatControl? That thing that got refused multiple times already? Because not all politicians think like you does not mean they are corrupt. Seems like enough politicians have voted against ChatControl until now. I always wonde
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by palata 6mo ago
I am not sure if you genuinely don't see what you miss or if you purposely ignore it because it helps your argument. Nobody says "we ban it for children and then expect them to use it responsibly". Just like for cigarettes. I
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by palata 6mo ago
Oh right, my bad. And how can they collude there?
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by palata 6mo ago
But again: if all the kids are on social media, is it enough for "good parent" to tell their kid that they should not go there? From what I remember from being a kid myself, it definitely is not.
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by palata 6mo ago
It's probably even simpler than that: say normal users make a few requests once in a while (because they don't need thousands of tokens every day), and one user makes a ton of requests, then it is an indication that this user may
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by palata 6mo ago
It was always possible to install Android alternatives, GPLv3 has nothing to do with it. I have nothing against GPLv3 of course, but this is just not true. Remote attestation is the thing preventing the app from running on your Android alte
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by palata 6mo ago
Well I disagree.
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by palata 6mo ago
Right, can we agree on "extremists" then? Takes the far-left, far-right, far-authoritarian and far-libertarian altogether.
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by palata 6mo ago
> this thing (which isn't hardly anyone's top motivating issue) Do you have kids growing up with social media? My experience is that parents with kids growing up with social media generally care about whether or not social medi
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by palata 6mo ago
> Again, you’re talking about things in a Boolean state. I am not, so either you don't understand my opinion, or you manipulate it because it's convenient. I am not, AT ALL , saying that we should make bikes illegal to kids. B
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by palata 6mo ago
I think there is a sane debate to have around whether or not we want privacy-preserving age verification, indeed. And how much of a "foot in the door" it is (is it building more surveillance technology, or is it actually building
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by palata 6mo ago
My argument is: it is possible to do privacy-preserving age verification, and that technology is already deployed (look at Privacy Pass). We should acknowledge that and stop claiming that the age verification issue is the same as the E2EE o
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by palata 6mo ago
> No one is doing it that way though Well it exists in Privacy Pass, which is deployed in production. And there are countries that are currently actively looking into privacy-preserving age verification. I don't think that "I k
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by palata 6mo ago
That would be the interesting debate, if people could actually spend 5min learning how it works and stop claiming nonsense.
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by palata 6mo ago
Yep, I think this would be a totally valid debate. But my frustration is that it's not there at all. We're at "people make it sound like it's technologically impossible, like the ChatControl for E2EE". It feels like
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by palata 6mo ago
> But I don't think just yelling "just use ZK" is helpful. Agreed. I am just very frustrated, because I feel it is an important topic. And I wish I saw adult discussions about it. And instead, people who claim to be "
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by palata 6mo ago
I keep mentioning it. Read about Privacy Pass, there is a goddamn RFC for it.
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by palata 6mo ago
People, you have to read about zero knowledge proofs. Look at e.g. Privacy Pass. > A law in the vein of HIPAA prevents collusion No need if you use cryptography. This thing that, you know, works well for encrypting stuff? Spoiler: it can
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by palata 6mo ago
What is perplexing is that people still don't realise that it is possible to do age verification in a privacy-preserving manner. > Think for yourself and consider what the possible ulterior motives might be. Sure, and in the meantim
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by palata 6mo ago
The French people typically elect far-right politicians to represent them at the EU level, so...
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by palata 6mo ago
> Your privacy has to be violated No. > the easily trackable ZKP tokens If it's easily trackable, it's not ZK.
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by palata 6mo ago
Dude, a big reason for age verification is to prevent kids from accessing those "algorithms" you describe. They will always be able to access porn, e.g. over torrent. It will just be a little less accessible, and maybe it won&#x27
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by palata 6mo ago
There is no reason to talk about that system: it's nonsense. It's like inventing a bad encryption protocol and discuss about why it is bad. Better learn about the good one, but I guess it's harder than making up nonsense.
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by palata 6mo ago
Wait what? All the time you spent writing that nonsense could have been invested in reading about how it actually works.
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by palata 6mo ago
How would an individual improperly do age verification?

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