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by nsguy 2y ago
I don't think I missed any of your points. I'm being called a liar for pointing out that in general people living in occupied territories do not have the rights of the citizens of the occupier, which is the exact situation here,
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by nsguy 2y ago
I just want to apologize for part of the tone of my response. I don't think we're gonna get anywhere here otherwise. [EDIT: I'll take 50% of the blame for this going sideways.]
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by nsguy 2y ago
I think you're a reasonable person so I'm not going to argue much ;) I don't see the UN as a successful organization. It's just a mirror though to what this world looks like. https://www.europarl.europa.eu&#x2
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by nsguy 2y ago
The Uyghurs did not launch rockets on Beijing. As far as I can tell they did not blow up any buses or restaurants in Beijing either. To contrast suicide bombings in Tel-Aviv and Jerusalem were a weekly affair during the early 2000's. A
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by nsguy 2y ago
We're unlikely to have a productive discussion anyways because we're so far apart and this is not a good medium to handle something like this topic. People that are entrenched in certain positions don't seem to want to give t
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by nsguy 2y ago
I am coming to this from an emotional point for sure. And ranting. This is what our discussion looks like from my perspective. > you have to be of a very specific mindset to see message after message about the evil UN and not say, "
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by nsguy 2y ago
I'm sorry but you are still avoiding my topic. Is or isn't Israel singled out by the UN? What is the metric of your choice? What is your opinion/position? Pick Asad killing 600,000 civilians or pick other examples of your cho
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by nsguy 2y ago
I'm not sure what "Zionist Terrorist" is getting us here in relation to Yigal Amir. There is very little relationship between that dude, who is a religious extremist, and the secular zionists that founded Israel. I can't
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by nsguy 2y ago
"יו"ר מפלגת העבודה ח"כ אהוד ברק, אמר אתמול כי אם היה פלשתינאי ובגיל המתאים, ייתכן שהיה מצטרף לארגון טרור. ברק אמר את הדברים בתוכנית "פגישה אישית" שתשודר הערב בערוץ הכבלים, בתשובה לשאלת המראיין גדעון לוי, מה הוא, שלח
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by nsguy 2y ago
I'm not "invoking a defense". I'm stating facts. You give me a definition of "forcibly expropriated land" and we'll compare it against the facts for Israel and all other countries in the world and see what
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by nsguy 2y ago
Clearly people in this discussion are getting different views of reality. There is definitely a long term rise in extremism in Israel but what that means to someone who is closely familiar with Israel and someone who is not can be two very
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by nsguy 2y ago
I agree there are a lot of differences. My point though still stands I think. The reason Palestinians don't enjoy equal rights to Israelis is that they live in an occupied territory of still to be determined status. Whatever process ha
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by nsguy 2y ago
I'm saying they could not vote in the US which is what the discussion is about. The Palestinians also had elections. I don't think what people are asking Israel to do here is to let the Palestinians have elections while being oc
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by nsguy 2y ago
Honestly it's a bit of a blur to me but I do agree that Baruch Goldstein's attack was likely another destabilizing factor. It stood out at the time as something completely insane. For the sake of historical accuracy though Hamas&#
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by nsguy 2y ago
I'm not trolling. Can you make a coherent counter argument that's not "I'm a Zionist stop embarrassing us". I'm stupid. Explain your position to me. Is your point "ofcourse the security council is not goin
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by nsguy 2y ago
Didn't the FLLF attack Palestinians? [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_for_the_Liberation_of_Le... ] Did Israel also fire rockets on its north from Lebanon? Did it try to assassinate it's ambassador to th
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by nsguy 2y ago
Jews maintained a pretty strong connection to the land. They keep praying to be in Jerusalem and Zion. The connection is a central part of their identity and faith. Jews also generally stayed together as a people and a group and genetics do
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by nsguy 2y ago
Hamas is super popular. This is maybe a biased source but do you own research, there are no shortage of polls: https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/03/22/poll-hamas-remains-p...
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by nsguy 2y ago
I'm originally from Israel. No Israeli that I know thinks that Palestinians are inferior. Famously the ex-Israeli Prime Minister Barak said that if he were a Palestinian he might have become a terrorist himself. I'm not saying it&
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by nsguy 2y ago
And they changed it under pressure and as a PR manoeuvre. They never really changed their views.
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by nsguy 2y ago
Let's do a thought experiment. Please give this a honest consideration. If the Uyghurs had 40,000 combatants. And if they were dug in tunnels under Uyghur cities. And fires 10's of thousands of rockets into Chinese cities. And kil
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by nsguy 2y ago
#1 - The China claims are not a lie, e.g.: https://www.reuters.com/world/china/un-body-rejects-historic... You don't get to say "I Googled it and it's a lie". How many security council resoluti
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by nsguy 2y ago
Sure. I'm not doing a PhD thesis on this topic. I just came up with one example on the fly. I don't think it's particularly unconvincing but anyways. My main point is that we can actual quantitatively convince ourselves that
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by nsguy 2y ago
You might be right. I'm not an expert on the legalese of their peace contracts with Israel. I think giving the Palestinians autonomy was part of the agreement with Egypt. In which case, it's a matter between Israel and the Palesti
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by nsguy 2y ago
Wikipedia says: "International law defines sovereign states as having a permanent population, defined territory, a government not under another, and the capacity to interact with other states.[2] " Taiwan has a permanent populatio
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by nsguy 2y ago
Palestinians are not a country. What other members of the UN are not countries? I believe other countries have opposed to the Palestinians becoming UN members. The last time around 9 countries voted against and 25 abstained. So I guess 34 d
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by nsguy 2y ago
It's a body made out of countries. Many of which are not free, not democratic, do not support basic human rights. What has the UN done that's turned great and made the world a better place? Top 3 examples?
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by nsguy 2y ago
It's worth mentioning that Rabin's murder was almost certainly related/triggered to the wave of suicide bombing attacks by Hamas that came as a response to the peace process. The Israeli right was up in arms about how the pea
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by nsguy 2y ago
Israel did use to build fighter jets. It built the Kfir. It planned to build a next gen airplane (The Lavi) but was pressured by the US to cancel that plan and instead buy F16s. The US also affects control of what Israeli weapons systems ca
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by nsguy 2y ago
Sure. I'm a Zionist. No problem with that. And yes, you're totally wrong on that account.

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