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by nchmy 1y ago
People pay for things all the time, why not (almost surely unnecessary) code? Why do you all feel entitled to free access to thousands of hours of very highly skilled devs' efforts (most of which they actually are giving away for free)
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by nchmy 1y ago
as i've said in many comments and the devs say ad-nauseum, there's very little need for anything in the Pro license. the fully open-source library is sufficient for almost all needs. And it is easily extendable with plugins if you
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by nchmy 1y ago
Certainly! Here's a good start (React is the main focus, but it extends to many other frameworks) https://infrequently.org/2024/11/if-not-react-then-what/ (there's MUCH more at this site as well) h
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by nchmy 1y ago
I dont disagree. I wouldn't dare try to follow in Carson's shitposting/memeing footsteps - that's a line far too fine for me to walk.
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by nchmy 1y ago
one might say they've put far too much thought into it all. Its very impressive
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by nchmy 1y ago
and youre in your right to fork the pre-pro versions of the now-pro plugins, update them to be compatible with the current version of the open-source course (a surely trivial task) and share them with the world. You can call your plugin pac
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by nchmy 1y ago
there is (or at least was) literally a dedicated Datastar channel in the htmx discord...
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by nchmy 1y ago
D* has a core, which is open and will be set in stone soon when v1 is released, with the expectation that it'll barely, if ever, change again. The rest is plugins, which anyone can write or modify. There's no need for the plugins
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by nchmy 1y ago
I'm only working in local dev right now, so i've got the pro version and inspector going. When I get to prod, perhaps this will be a problem. Yet, surely, this could just be toggled with an env var or db setting or something? if d
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by nchmy 1y ago
Given the simplicity of doing such a fork, and that no one has done it yet, perhaps this is a non-issue?
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by nchmy 1y ago
> But the one that most inspired me was a web app that displayed data from every radar station in the United States. Anyone have a link for this?
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by nchmy 1y ago
yeah, but i WANT it
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by nchmy 1y ago
> The author was constantly pushing it in the HTMX discord, telling anyone who would listen that if they liked HTMX how great Datastar would be for them You know who else does that? THE DEVELOPER OF HTMX! https://htmx.org&#x2F
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by nchmy 1y ago
> sounds like a fast ticket to a hard fork. Indeed! Could you do us all a favour and fork the pre-pro plugins and make them compatible with the current iteration of d* pro? They're all like 50 LOC, after all, so should be simple.
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by nchmy 1y ago
I, also, was swindled by those cultists. I thought the devs' emphatic assertions in their Discord NOT to buy Datastar Pro was a psyop dark pattern. I bought it to spite them, and barely use any of it. I want my css-in-js back!
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by nchmy 1y ago
I'm not referring to the language barrier - I live in a place where I write and speak at a juvenile level. I'm referring to the very low quality of thinking on display in the article, and in this reply (english is not from the US
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by nchmy 1y ago
Also, btw, some of these - specifically data-replace-url - are strongly discouraged by the devs, to avoid footguns. I dont have experience with it, but people have spoken lots in their discord about how things like Hotwire Turbo are too mag
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by nchmy 1y ago
Yeah, i'm a big fan of his/theirs. > Ideally, I want these things to be part of core web technologies, and for web developers to not need to rely on 3rd-party frameworks. This seems to be his prime directive. Everything is stan
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by nchmy 1y ago
THeres not much on the site yet, as he's still baking it. https://data-star.dev/reference/datastar_pro#stellar-css But theres rocket and stellar channels in their discord where there's sneak peeks. VERY cool
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by nchmy 1y ago
the entire point is that the OP - and so many other nonsensical comments here- is implying that Datastar's devs are being sneaky, trying to trick you into getting hooked on datastar only to pull the rug later with some dark marketing p
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by nchmy 1y ago
The entire point of frameworks is so that you dont have to engage with lower level things... D* makes it exceptionally easy to work with SSE and all sorts of web APIs. that's fine that you dont see any reason to use the web as it was
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by nchmy 1y ago
Yeah, something like PPP seems to be the way to do it. But it seems non-trivial to implement in reality. Gumroad consequently charges 10% fees. I think it is very unlikely that Datastar would implement something like this - but just as a ma
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by nchmy 1y ago
Datastar is currently in the Release Candidate phase of v1, which they seem to be certain will be the final form of Datastar. So, they're really not looking for "community contributions" to the core of datastar, other than fo
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by nchmy 1y ago
Its interesting, and telling, that that's the only part of my comment that you replied to... Anyway, browsers are built specifically to render HTML. And html/hypermedia is specifically meant to manage and transfer state. The web h
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by nchmy 1y ago
As ive said in many other comments - YOU DO NOT NEED PRO. The devs are very adamant about this - even aggressively so. 99% of apps will work just fine with the free library. Pro is for some bells and whistles, or just to support people who
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by nchmy 1y ago
they're a 501c3 non profit and they actively dissuade people from buying the pro license, because YAGNI. If you want those features, or just want to support a genuinely innovative framework that people spent years building, you can get
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by nchmy 1y ago
That's a fair point. But I think that the real point that /u/andersmurphy was trying to convey was that hypermedia is VERY performant because immensely talented C++ engineers have optimized precisely this, for decades. The
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by nchmy 1y ago
they do have a discord server, and it is full of excellent conversation. But I expect that you would receive a similar response to what we've given "sorry, but no. But, also, you dont actually need the pro features. Build with the
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by nchmy 1y ago
They're not even running a business on this - its literally registered as a 501c3 nonprofit. Its a labour of love that theyve shared with the world, and they actively tell people that the pro features are unnecessary for most projects.
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by nchmy 1y ago
This is the only valid and reasonable criticism I've seen here so far, kudos to you. 299 is, indeed, inaccessible for many people. But, the devs live in places where things cost more, so its also a tiny price compared to the relative v

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