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by myshpa 3y ago
Yes. 1. stop overfishing by switching to plant based diets 2. stop fishing ... even fish we don't fish, but decimate (as bycatch) will rebound 3. stop fishing ... there won't be as much plastic to entangle fish, mammals and turtle
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by myshpa 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_overshoot
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by myshpa 3y ago
Sure ... but we still don't know how to grow that in big quantities. And scaling the production could take few decades. Plants do we have now, and properly cooked they're delicious ;)
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by myshpa 3y ago
1. just remove the subsidies, the market will take care of the rest 2. what other industry is more destructive than animal ag?
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by myshpa 3y ago
No. All meat in labs is grown in 1.5 L plastic bottles now, and they have like 5 of them in the whole lab. It may take decades until it's ready to replace meat on the scale and price needed. We (and the environment) unfortunately don&#
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by myshpa 3y ago
> To call other things "cheese" that aren't cheese is torturing the very definition of the word, much like "milk" Yes, if it doesn't have torture, blood, puss, pesticides, antibiotics and estrogens in it, it
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by myshpa 3y ago
I should have used "no one", not "nobody". "Many Indigenous societies practiced communal ownership of land and natural resources. Land was often viewed as a shared and sacred entity that belonged to the entire commu
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by myshpa 3y ago
> non-humans territorial behavior is essentially the same as human ownership behavior Every individual in nature has to find it's own space and protect it, agreed. But their young don't inherit their claims, as humans do. http
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by myshpa 3y ago
Still few problems with this. - intensive fish farming can lead to environmental issues, such as water pollution from fish waste, excessive use of antibiotics and chemicals, and the depletion of wild fish stocks used for fish feed - some fa
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by myshpa 3y ago
No disinformation campaigns are necessary. Fish do indeed often contain heavy metals (mercury, lead, cadmium, arsenic, copper), PCBs, dioxins, and furans, as well as microplastics. Young dolphins are dying because the mother's milk may
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by myshpa 3y ago
Oh, that's a much more complicated topic. There were many models of such systems, many of which were communal, without clear leaders or rulers. Agriculture was developing for thousands of years, so it's understandable. The beginni
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As ocean oxygen levels dip, fish face an uncertain future(e360.yale.edu)
184 points by myshpa 3y ago|146 comments
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by myshpa 3y ago
I thought that first "monarchies" started ... 3-5k BCE (Pharaohs, maybe Ur/Uruk?). Which ones were here tens of thousands of years ago?
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by myshpa 3y ago
You're right; thank you for reminding me. However, I believe that Australia could be one of the best places in the world for reforesting those deserts. The Outback reportedly receives up to 100cm of rain every year already. Reforestati
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by myshpa 3y ago
Few assumptions and oversimplifications, let's address them one by one: > Lack of sustainability is contingent on increased encroachment of land and emissions, and that is contingent on growing demand overtaking gains in technologic
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by myshpa 3y ago
tens of thousands of years? ;)
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by myshpa 3y ago
> where the quality of the land and feed for the cattle is marginal Might be because they deforested those lands and have been grazing those cows there for god knows how long now. EDIT: It seems I somehow managed to overlook we're t
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by myshpa 3y ago
#archaism
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by myshpa 3y ago
American Indians were right... nobody should own the land. The British Royal family and the Catholic Church... those lands were stolen and should be returned to the people. Given that most of that list is meat farms, that would be a lot of
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by myshpa 3y ago
> Almost never protein though True. > You want good protein for a healthy diet. Of course you can get it through other ingredients, but most of the time, today anyway, you do lose something when just replacing cheese with vegan cheese
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by myshpa 3y ago
That's debatable. If they're able to influence UN FAO and IPCC (among many others I'm sure), and they are, they kinda do. https://qz.com/ipcc-report-on-climate-change-meat-industry-1... The meat industry bloc
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by myshpa 3y ago
Vegans have cheese. Salty and fatty, melts. You should try it. There is no magic ingredient in cow (dog, giraffe, lion, bat, dolphin) milk that we couldn't get from plants instead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SG
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by myshpa 3y ago
We don't need those grazing lands for growing food (some nuts forests would be cool, though). We should afforest/rewild it to store maximum carbon in those lands, repair water cycle, enable biodiversity to return (70% of species i
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by myshpa 3y ago
> meat is a vital, and necessary food Not true at all. Plant-based diets were protective against cancers of the digestive system, with no significant differences between different types of cancer, a meta-analysis based on 3,059,009 subje
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by myshpa 3y ago
Alan Savory? Regenerative holistic farming? It's mostly bullshit (not my words), apparently. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36826277
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by myshpa 3y ago
But animal ag is far from sustainable, unfortunately. Climate change, resource depletion, deforestation, loss of biodiversity, pollution, overpopulation, soil erosion, and overfishing are all symptoms of ecological overshoot. Agriculture is
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by myshpa 3y ago
We're not doing enough, that's why. Business as usual, profit above all else.
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A terrible trade-off: burger today, rainforest gone tomorrow?(globalwitness.org)
1 points by myshpa 3y ago|0 comments
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by myshpa 3y ago
That's imho a solution for the collapse and nuclear winter. For the civilization as we have now the plants are enough and plentiful.
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by myshpa 3y ago
That's a problem? :) https://thebreakthrough.org/issues/food-agriculture-environm... In 2013, the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations estimated that livestock production accounted for 14.5% of

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