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by muldvarp 1y ago
> Agreed. So I don't think it's a bubble. I'm not arguing it's a bubble. I'm arguing it's not going to be a "gigantic benefit" for society. > Will also be good for consumers in the long-term: mu
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by muldvarp 1y ago
More productivity at same cost = More profit for companies. Also, the cost of most of the stuff I (have to) buy (i.e. rent, groceries, ...) is not dominated by the wage of knowledge workers. Or to put it differently: If AI makes me lose my
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by muldvarp 1y ago
I'd love to see those "gigantic benefits". Currently, the only positive thing about LLMs I hear regularly is that it made people more productive. They don't get paid more (of course), they're just more productive.
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by muldvarp 1y ago
Yeah, I used to like technology. I don't anymore. LLMs just seem like they were purposefully built to annoy me personally. I dislike pretty much everything about them: Everything they produce looks high-quality, only a fraction of it a
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by muldvarp 1y ago
In that case pretty much any automation is unethical, isn't it?
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by muldvarp 1y ago
My argument isn't that I like welding more. I'm asking you what the _ethical_ difference is between automating welding and automating programming. The fact that you like programming more than welding is nice to know but there&#x27
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by muldvarp 1y ago
> Meanwhile the workers who were previously employed in menial clerical tasks will simply switch to supervising the AI's that perform those same tasks for them. Why would LLMs be incapable of these new jobs?
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by muldvarp 1y ago
I wouldn't. But most software developers didn't care whether translators liked the new jobs they had to find. So I think most non-programmers won't care whether you'll like your new job.
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by muldvarp 1y ago
Software developers. Many of them are still championing LLMs. Also anybody who still contributes to open source software.
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by muldvarp 1y ago
Why do you think automating software development is any less ethical than automating other jobs (which many software developers actively engaged in)?
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by muldvarp 1y ago
This won't happen. Even if western countries will outlaw LLMs (they won't, people care about unemployed software developers just as much as most software developers cared about unemployed translators), China won't. And why wo
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by muldvarp 1y ago
I don't see how thinking about some source code is an innately more human activity than welding. Both can be done by humans, both couldn't be done by anything but humans until automation came along and now both can be done by huma
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by muldvarp 1y ago
Then why are you even talking about the replacement of jobs?
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by muldvarp 1y ago
I don't see why it would be "kafkaesque" either. In fact I fail to see any connection between those two facts other than that both are decisions to allow or not allow something to happen by OpenAI.
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by muldvarp 1y ago
Is there? I don't see any contradiction there. For me it's funny that the first time most programmers ever think about the ethics of automating away jobs is when they themselves become automated.
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by muldvarp 1y ago
I expect OpenAI to have crushed the competition here.
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by muldvarp 1y ago
If AI with the current capabilities and within this short timeframe would have already had a big impact on the labor market, we'd be in big trouble.
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by muldvarp 1y ago
> These claims wouldn't matter if the topic weren't so deadly serious. Tech leaders everywhere are buying into the FOMO, convinced their competitors are getting massive gains they're missing out on. This drives them to reb
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by muldvarp 1y ago
Should have asked an LLM to write one.
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by muldvarp 1y ago
I'm not arguing to not teach children stuff. All I'm saying is that LLMs made me lose motivation to start learning stuff that I'll never be an expert in.
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by muldvarp 1y ago
The number of people that can actually dedicate their life to producing new knowledge is tiny. It's not really that motivating of a reason.
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by muldvarp 1y ago
Currently. Although producing something yourself (especially if you're not an expert) doesn't guarantee high-quality output either.
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by muldvarp 1y ago
I genuinely wonder what even is worth learning in the age of AI. It just feels like learning stuff doesn't really matter anymore. Unless you're an expert in some field, a novice with access to an LLM will usually produce better re
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by muldvarp 1y ago
Yeah, obviously nobody that actually though about the consequences wants a large part of the population to become unemployed. Even if your job is not threatened by automation, it will be threatened by a lot of people looking for new jobs. A
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by muldvarp 1y ago
I mean I wish there were a plateau, without one we're well onto our way into techno-feudalism. I just don't see it.
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by muldvarp 1y ago
I've never really been bothered that much by writing boilerplate. That said, LLMs might be able to completely solve the more complex issues as well and then you'll only be writing code in your free time.
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by muldvarp 1y ago
There have been very large improvements in code generation in the last 6 months. A few weeks without improvement are not necessarily a plateau.
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by muldvarp 1y ago
Many people here are in complete denial about what's going to happen in the next years.
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by muldvarp 1y ago
Not that surprising. There's nothing in it for me: If I get more productive, I don't get paid more. If I get less productive, I get told I'm not using it correctly. Worst case: I help train the LLM to eventually take my job.
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by muldvarp 1y ago
I have strong negative feelings about it. It turned a signal of texts written with great attention to detail into a signal of AI slop. It's just kinda sad. Sometimes I think LLMs were invented specifically to annoy me.

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