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by mtomweb 4y ago
1. Safari is full of bugs https://open-web-advocacy.org/files/OWA%20-%20Bringing%20Com... (Section 5.6 and 5.8) 2. Safari is missing core functionality and significantly lags behind Firefox and Chrome / Edge. Sect
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by mtomweb 4y ago
Pointless discussing if you can’t agree on any of the basic factual points.
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by mtomweb 4y ago
The issue is you are focusing on the specific APIs as a strawman argument which would require us to argue each and every API on its individual merits something neither of us has time for. Instead let’s focus on the core issues: 1. Severe un
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by mtomweb 4y ago
Our group was initially formed by a group of people who develop for iOS Safari on daily basis. We have an exceptionally detailed understanding of the bugs and functionality issues of the browser. The only reason google is in the conversati
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by mtomweb 4y ago
I assume you’ve never even attempted to build an app for Safari? Or a Web App at all?
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by mtomweb 4y ago
It’s hard to take comments from someone who doesn’t believe in the Web or Web Apps seriously. If you start from a position that Web Apps should not be able to compete on mobile devices, then our viewpoints are so diametrically opposed ther
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by mtomweb 4y ago
Expressly forbidden: - install, or execute code which introduces or changes features or functionality of the app The only exception they've crafted is for educational purposes. 2.5.2 Apps should be self-contained in their bundles, and
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by mtomweb 4y ago
Yes users should be free to choose whatever browser they want and the gatekeeper shouldn't be allowed to interfere with that.
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by mtomweb 4y ago
It's likely cost Firefox 100's of millions per year. That's net worse for firefox. Also Mozilla is fighting this as well, they wouldn't unless they thought it was in their interest.
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by mtomweb 4y ago
As a user the harms are invisible to you. If you'd like to find out how it harms consumers, businesses, developers and the web, please read our regulatory submission "Bringing Competition to Walled Gardens": https:/&#x
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by mtomweb 4y ago
They say a picture is worth a 1000 words: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_banners/1129987795651399682/16...
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by mtomweb 4y ago
Quote: Mozilla believes that major platforms should be under an on-going duty to: Stop practices that distort competition on the merits and inhibit consumer choice, such as: ● interfering with consumer selection of alternative browsers and
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by mtomweb 4y ago
All the real browsers have been banned. Ask any browser vendor. The rest are basically Safari skins.
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by mtomweb 4y ago
The Mozillians don't think actual Firefox is available on iOS and neither should you. You can read Mozilla's submission about the #AppleBrowserBan here: https://www.regulations.gov/comment/NTIA-2022-0001-0131
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by mtomweb 4y ago
It's not misleading. Firefox, Edge and Chrome have all been banned on iOS. Instead Apple has forced them to produce separate browsers around a locked WebView that they exclusively control. Mozilla, Microsoft and Google have all spoke
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by mtomweb 4y ago
Anti-Competitive Behaviour from google should also be addressed by regulators. Our suggestions were covered in sections: 3.1.7 No Chrome Prefrencing 3.1.8 Website Transparency Obligations https://open-web-advocacy.org/files&
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by mtomweb 4y ago
It doesn't matter if WebKit is open source or not (in the context of the topic) because only Apple can make modifications to the WebView on iOS. Adding or removing functionality, fixing bugs is entirely under Apple's control. On
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by mtomweb 4y ago
IMO, Only browsers with dedicated security teams should receive a browser entitlement (which includes a small team for soft-fork browsers) who are committed to keeping their browser secure. All browsers have vulnerabilities, and it's h
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by mtomweb 4y ago
Source was the DMA final text: https://twitter.com/OpenWebAdvocacy/status/15271019882567229... Also many have now spoken up against it: ### Electronic Freedom Foundation (EFF) Apple’s restrictions on third-party
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by mtomweb 4y ago
OP here. That's actually incorrect. We started OWA with a group of primarily Safari first developers, in that iOS Safari is our primary target platform. We've had over a decade of major issues from rendering bugs, to lack of func
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by mtomweb 4y ago
Ish. There's bridges to native functions and there are a lot of functions. For example you can write a mini-app that connects to bluetooth. It's essentially loading dynamic code that bridges to native code.
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by mtomweb 4y ago
The Competition and Markets Authority (The UK Regulator). You can read more here: https://www.gov.uk/cma-cases/mobile-ecosystems-market-study And their new market investigation here: https://www.gov.uk/
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by mtomweb 4y ago
MacOS is the only market Safari actually competes in and has the same advantage by being the default. I would actually expect the most likely outcome is Apple would fight hard to build a better browser to stem any losses to other browsers.
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by mtomweb 4y ago
They allow Wechat and Alipay to pull in code after publishing (See Mini-Apps). Regardless there's no evidence that Safari would do a better job at protecting user's security than Firefox or Chrome/Edge.
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by mtomweb 4y ago
Safari still has around 60% on MacoS and all the normal users believe that there is browser competition now. At best it's speculation, but we can compare that to the very real harms of Apple's browser ban. We've written about
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by mtomweb 4y ago
For In-App Browsers we'd advocate for implementing a system similar to CCT which means that it just uses the user's default browser. For WebViews for native apps we'd advocate for simply using the system browser (every other
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by mtomweb 4y ago
OP here. The point of the post was not that Safari's security is bad (browser security in general is pretty excellent), the point is that Apple uses security as an excuse to block competition and has no evidence that it's browser
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Apple's claim is that it bans other browsers for security(twitter.com)
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by mtomweb 4y ago
1. If you're going to say you don't like spec because of issues, you should explicitly describe what those issues are OR offer up an alternative spec. Simply not engaging on the spec doesn't present as engineers trying to so
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by mtomweb 4y ago
As for feedback. we gave up after 10 years. That’s literally how long we’d been asking for notifications.

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