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It's not misleading. Firefox, Edge and Chrome have all been banned on iOS. Instead Apple has forced them to produce separate browsers around a locked WebView

It's not misleading. Firefox, Edge and Chrome have all been banned on iOS. Instead Apple has forced them to produce separate browsers around a locked WebView that they exclusively control. Mozilla, Microsoft and Google have all spoken out against the ban in regulatory submission, and browser engineers at each vendor consider it a ban. The REAL browsers have been banned.

CharlesW 4y ago
> Firefox, Edge and Chrome have all been banned on iOS. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/firefox-private-safe-browser/id989804926 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/firefox-private-safe-browser/i... https://apps.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-edge-web-browser/id1288723196 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-edge-web-browser/id1... https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google-chrome/id535886823 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google-chrome/id535886823 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/brave-private-web-browser/id1052879175 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/brave-private-web-browser/id10... https://apps.apple.com/us/app/duckduckgo-privacy-browser/id663592361 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/duckduckgo-privacy-browser/id6... https://apps.apple.com/us/app/opera-browser-fast-private/id1411869974 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/opera-browser-fast-private/id1... Etc.
- warning26 4y ago
  All of these are Safari skins. If you really want your Safari to look like Firefox then you're fine, but if you'd like to actually use Firefox you're out of luck.
  - CharlesW 4y ago
    That's like saying all DAWs are skins of CoreAudio. Also, it assumes that Firefox's only value is Gecko.
    - mtomweb 4y ago
      Quote: Mozilla believes that major platforms should be under an on-going duty to: Stop practices that distort competition on the merits and inhibit consumer choice, such as: ● interfering with consumer selection of alternative browsers and use of those browsers to access the internet from links and queries on their devices; and ● dictating or controlling browser components, such as browser engines, which prevent consumers from accessing and using their preferred browser across all operating systems and devices.
      - CharlesW 4y ago
        Mozilla is the Hiroo Onoda of browser makers. They should decommission Gecko and adopt WebKit, or just move to Blink and stop pretending to fight for web standards.
        lenkite 4y ago
        Yeah, everyone should kneel to Apple - they are the Real Web Gods. Of-course the Apple fanatics can continue to love and use bug-ridden Safari. The folks who want a choice can use something else.
- dcow 4y ago
  Those aren't the actual browsers. They're a reskinned Safari because they have to be.
thewebcount 4y ago
> Firefox, Edge and Chrome have all been banned on iOS. No they haven't! You can download each one here: [0], [1], [2]. They have been forbidden from using their own rendering engines. But they can still add all the chrome they want to the UI and do all their usual tracking like they do on the desktop. [0]https://apps.apple.com/us/app/firefox-focus-privacy-browser/id1055677337 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/firefox-focus-privacy-browser/... [1]https://apps.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-edge-web-browser/id1288723196 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-edge-web-browser/id1... [2]https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google-chrome/id535886823 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google-chrome/id535886823
- lenkite 4y ago
  Good thing that regulation mentions browser engines and not the cardboard wrapping. You can use any browser you want as long it is ONLY Apple WebKit behind the scenes is a true dystopian fascist power-play.
  - dmitriid 4y ago
    > Good thing that regulation mentions browser engines and not the cardboard wrapping. Then why doesn't it target Chromium as the vastly dominant engine that has ~80% of global market? Or in the case of Chromium the cardboard wrapping like Edge etc. are different engines all of a sudden?
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      > Then why doesn't it target Chromium as the vastly dominant engine that has ~80% of global market? Because WebKit sucks! I don't intend to be vitriolic here, but this really is the status quo of rendering engines. You have Blink, which is capable of making complex webapps and fully-featured browser experiences, and then you have WebKit, which is almost exclusively capable of breaking them. I'm not mad that WebKit sucks though, we need sucky browser engines! Sucky browser engines like WebKit run great on terrible hardware like Smart TVs or WiFi Fridges or portable game consoles that wouldn't be running a browser engine otherwise. The problem is that Apple forces mobile users onto a browser that's behind the rest of the world's web technologies. They can make sucky browsers all day long, and they won't hear a peep out of me as long as I can replace it with a Chromium-based browser. WebKit is holding Safari, and by extension the rest of the internet, back. That's the problem, and arguably an abuse of market position considering Apple directly profits off the failure of webapps.

CharlesW 4y ago

> Firefox, Edge and Chrome have all been banned on iOS. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/firefox-private-safe-browser/id989804926 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/firefox-private-safe-browser/i... https://apps.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-edge-web-browser/id1288723196 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-edge-web-browser/id1... https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google-chrome/id535886823 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google-chrome/id535886823 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/brave-private-web-browser/id1052879175 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/brave-private-web-browser/id10... https://apps.apple.com/us/app/duckduckgo-privacy-browser/id663592361 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/duckduckgo-privacy-browser/id6... https://apps.apple.com/us/app/opera-browser-fast-private/id1411869974 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/opera-browser-fast-private/id1... Etc.

warning26 4y ago
All of these are Safari skins. If you really want your Safari to look like Firefox then you're fine, but if you'd like to actually use Firefox you're out of luck.
- CharlesW 4y ago
  That's like saying all DAWs are skins of CoreAudio. Also, it assumes that Firefox's only value is Gecko.
  - mtomweb 4y ago
    Quote: Mozilla believes that major platforms should be under an on-going duty to: Stop practices that distort competition on the merits and inhibit consumer choice, such as: ● interfering with consumer selection of alternative browsers and use of those browsers to access the internet from links and queries on their devices; and ● dictating or controlling browser components, such as browser engines, which prevent consumers from accessing and using their preferred browser across all operating systems and devices.
    - CharlesW 4y ago
      Mozilla is the Hiroo Onoda of browser makers. They should decommission Gecko and adopt WebKit, or just move to Blink and stop pretending to fight for web standards.
      - lenkite 4y ago
        Yeah, everyone should kneel to Apple - they are the Real Web Gods. Of-course the Apple fanatics can continue to love and use bug-ridden Safari. The folks who want a choice can use something else.
dcow 4y ago
Those aren't the actual browsers. They're a reskinned Safari because they have to be.

thewebcount 4y ago

> Firefox, Edge and Chrome have all been banned on iOS. No they haven't! You can download each one here: [0], [1], [2]. They have been forbidden from using their own rendering engines. But they can still add all the chrome they want to the UI and do all their usual tracking like they do on the desktop. [0]https://apps.apple.com/us/app/firefox-focus-privacy-browser/id1055677337 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/firefox-focus-privacy-browser/... [1]https://apps.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-edge-web-browser/id1288723196 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/microsoft-edge-web-browser/id1... [2]https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google-chrome/id535886823 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google-chrome/id535886823

lenkite 4y ago
Good thing that regulation mentions browser engines and not the cardboard wrapping. You can use any browser you want as long it is ONLY Apple WebKit behind the scenes is a true dystopian fascist power-play.
- dmitriid 4y ago
  > Good thing that regulation mentions browser engines and not the cardboard wrapping. Then why doesn't it target Chromium as the vastly dominant engine that has ~80% of global market? Or in the case of Chromium the cardboard wrapping like Edge etc. are different engines all of a sudden?
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    > Then why doesn't it target Chromium as the vastly dominant engine that has ~80% of global market? Because WebKit sucks! I don't intend to be vitriolic here, but this really is the status quo of rendering engines. You have Blink, which is capable of making complex webapps and fully-featured browser experiences, and then you have WebKit, which is almost exclusively capable of breaking them. I'm not mad that WebKit sucks though, we need sucky browser engines! Sucky browser engines like WebKit run great on terrible hardware like Smart TVs or WiFi Fridges or portable game consoles that wouldn't be running a browser engine otherwise. The problem is that Apple forces mobile users onto a browser that's behind the rest of the world's web technologies. They can make sucky browsers all day long, and they won't hear a peep out of me as long as I can replace it with a Chromium-based browser. WebKit is holding Safari, and by extension the rest of the internet, back. That's the problem, and arguably an abuse of market position considering Apple directly profits off the failure of webapps.