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Apple loses on Appeal, CMA can restart investigation into browsers(open-web-advocacy.org)
9 points by mtomweb 3y ago|1 comments
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by mtomweb 3y ago
In a victory for consumers and developers, London's Court of Appeal has ruled against Apple and in favour of the UK’s Competition and Markets Authority (CMA), allowing the CMA to reopen their Browser and Cloud Gaming Market Investigati
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Apple said it had three Safari browsers – not one, and with a straight face(theregister.com)
59 points by mtomweb 3y ago|21 comments
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by mtomweb 4y ago
Out of Edge/Firefox/Chrome/Safari, Safari is the furthest behind in functionality and still has the most bugs. How do we know? We develop for these browsers every day. As for "only works in Chrome", Safari was our
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by mtomweb 4y ago
These same issues would get fixed in Firefox and Chrome. Safari was the outlier. We couldn't ask our users to use another competitive browser, since they'd been banned (and we most certainly would have put up banners). The 60 tim
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by mtomweb 4y ago
> Given my experience on the team, I genuinely don't believe that lack of investment, or even team size, has ever been the issue. How would explain the enormous numbers of serious bugs, or the fact the Safari had slipped well behin
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by mtomweb 4y ago
ckj: The number one issue with Safari has always been lack of investment by Apple. It has always been plagued with serious application breaking bugs for the past decade. In comparison with both Firefox and the Chromium browsers bugs would j
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by mtomweb 4y ago
Yes, exactly like Google.
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by mtomweb 4y ago
https://open-web-advocacy.org/walled-gardens-report/#the-chr...
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by mtomweb 4y ago
Control over engine = browser differentiation = market share = search engine revenue
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by mtomweb 4y ago
Safari is not competing. It only runs on MacOS and iOS. It doesn't compete on Linux, Windows or Android. - It comes last out of the three major browser engines in feature support. - It has the most number of bugs out of the three engin
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by mtomweb 4y ago
Already passed in the EU. Recommended in Japan, Australia and the UK. Apple is not the company fighting for the web or browser diversity, they are the ones holding back.
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by mtomweb 4y ago
Short answer: No market share = no search engine revenue By: 1. Eliminating browsers ability to differentiate itself 2. Forcing additional costs on the browser vendors to have to develop a second browser specifically for iOS 3. By reserving
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by mtomweb 4y ago
1. They largely are, the effort to build so they run in Firefox is small and if Safari is forced to compete and then fixes the bugs + adds critical functionality then they will be interoperable on iOS as well 2. You have far more control ov
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by mtomweb 4y ago
1. Interoperable between all operating systems (mobile and desktop) 2. Does not lock you into proprietary ecosystems 3. Is built on free and open technology, and investing in that technology helps make it available to others 4. Is not subje
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by mtomweb 4y ago
Oh right, yeah, I think there's an exception for home screen apps. Now it's worse for Web Apps to have the data deleted, but I do understand the privacy reasons why Apple is deleting the IDB data.
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by mtomweb 4y ago
Many (most?) native apps also have a local store which is essential to how they function. Having to rely on stable internet for your app to work is annoying for lots of types of apps.
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by mtomweb 4y ago
We're talking about for installed Web Apps here. Ask yourself the same question about Native Apps. Why should any Native App be allowed to store data permanently. The answer to that question is the same for Web Apps.
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by mtomweb 4y ago
Safari still has very good market share on MacOS so I don't think that is true. Additionally while Safari remains underfunded and full of bugs it's not placing little competitive pressure on Chrome while ensuring that browsers tha
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by mtomweb 4y ago
xiphias2: Are you sure about it deleting IDB data even if they are installed on the homescreen? We've not come across that before. If so this is something we really need to follow up.
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by mtomweb 4y ago
The real versions of Firefox, Chrome and Edge etc have been banned. Instead Apple forces them to create new browsers which use their controlled, locked and unmodifiable WebView removing the majority of the ways that these browsers can diff
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by mtomweb 4y ago
It's also 20 billion Apple has to do almost nothing for, except ban the other browsers and set google as the default search engine in Safari. It's a significant proportion of their yearly profit.
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by mtomweb 4y ago
Overall the progress with Safari in the last has been great, and really shows why it's so important to have competition or even the threat of competition. It's only because of regulatory scrutiny that Apple has been pushed to give
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by mtomweb 4y ago
Yes. They are being compelled to do it. Considering makes it sound like this is a deliberate Apple PR leak
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by mtomweb 4y ago
We use 11ty. https://www.11ty.dev/ Source is here: https://github.com/OpenWebAdvocacy/website
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by mtomweb 4y ago
Please read: https://open-web-advocacy.org/walled-gardens-report/#securit... https://twitter.com/openwebadvocacy/status/15413180556363694...
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by mtomweb 4y ago
True. Or even 2010
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by mtomweb 4y ago
If anyone would like to help fight for the future of Web Apps and the Web on mobile please join the effort at https://open-web-advocacy.org
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by mtomweb 4y ago
For bugs see: https://open-web-advocacy.org/walled-gardens-report/#ios-saf... And https://open-web-advocacy.org/walled-gardens-report/#evidenc... Make sure you tap more comments to see the example
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by mtomweb 4y ago
Apple's ban on third-party browsers on iOS has caused enormous damage to the web ecosystem. We explain this in great detail including browser diversity arguments here: https://open-web-advocacy.org/files/OWA%20-%20

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