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I wasn't just citing one dude's speculation, I was attempting to refute some other dude's speculation, the following statement from the original parent post I was replying to: > Some people think it's relevant that a
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The original article pointed out that the Chinese were sercretive about SARS also, referncing this NYTimes article [0]. It seems like an interesting leap to assume the lab leak is the most likely cause, when there is so much precedent for n
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I don't think that the source I quoted was saying that the virus jumped directly from bats to humans. I believe they were attempting to track mutations from the closest currently known/sequenced genetic relative, which happened to
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I was replying to a post that said "Some people think it's relevant that a new coronavirus emerged next door to a lab working on new coronaviruses". There's that word "emerged" (in reference to Wuhan) that you
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Thank you for those links. I appreciate the new inputs. ("Sampling bias and incorrect rooting make phylogenetic network tracing of SARS-COV-2 infections unreliable" and "Median-joining network analysis of SARS-CoV-2 genomes i
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So that is the basis for what? Is that a fact that changed your mind about the origins of covid? We know that lab leaks happen. Scary stuff. Even how many lab leaks there are here in the U.S. The paper you link to describes several lab leak
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> it seems to me that the early cases would not have been so concentrated in Wuhan There's genetic evidence that the origin was 600 miles south of Wuhan [0]: > His research determined that A was the founding variant because it wa
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There's genetic evidence that the first cases were not from Wuhan [0]: > Of 23 samples that came from Wuhan, only three were type A, the rest were type B, a version two mutations from A. But in other parts of China, Forster says, in
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There is evidence pointing in that direction [0]: > Of 23 samples that came from Wuhan, only three were type A, the rest were type B, a version two mutations from A. But in other parts of China, Forster says, initially A was the predomin
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Did you know that there's been evidence pointing to an origin 600 miles south of Wuhan [0], based on sampled early cases and genetic sequencing? [0] https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/202
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But there's evidence that it emerged 600 miles south of Wuhan [0], based on genetic sequencing of collected samples from infected people: > In a recent paper published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences,
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There's evidence pointing to an origin 600 miles south of Wuhan [0], based on sampled early cases and genetic sequencing. [0] https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2020-05-...
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I understand that there are a shocking amount of lab leaks in the world. Hundreds in the U.S. in the last decade, for example. Scary stuff. > In this case, with the first known infections occurring in Wuhan Do you have a source for that?
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Congressional testimony tends to be more political than scientific, don't you think? Facts about DNA are still facts, regardless of who congress invites to speak before them. I never considered Congress to be gatekeepers of science.
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I'm not sure about your statement saying the earliest cases were near the wuhan lab. Do you have a source for that? I've seen the opposite, that there is genetic evidence that the virus originated 600 miles south of Wuhan, where t
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I found this link [0] that seems to debunk, in a lot of detail, the congressional testimony of these two physicists on the specifics of their claims for evidence of gain of function manipulation in the gentic sequence of covid-19. That jive
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So you think that it's less than 51% probable that this virus jumped from nature (from animals) into people, like every other virus we know about? There's a lot of good sources saying otherwise, not just this article. EDIT: My pri
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Didn't the article cover the scenarios you mentioned? The article said that the lab's normal job was to look for new bat viruses, and that it's pretty hard to get infected from a qtip swabbed over a bats anus stored in a stab
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I don't think it's whataboutism. We were discussing if exposed corruption should be dismissed as being partisan. There was more than just a DNC dislike of Bernie Sanders. There were financial, policy, and hiring decisions involved
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Like a PO (purchase order) number?
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I believe it. I just don't see the big deal, given the fact that Clinton and the DNC were exposed trying to steal an election. That's why this happened. Assange and the Russians didn't screw Bernie Sanders. Truth is truth, ri
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This is a big problem with large bureaucracies. They can be inhumane. It's not good that we are forced more and more as individuals to be subservient to them.
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> They did sit on them, until a timed moment. I looked it up, and apprently this could be true, assuming that wikileaks were given the emails ahead of time. Some of those emails were first posted to a DCLeaks website, then Wikileaks anno
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> if lockdowns actually eradicated COVID, it would be all over. A few countries pulled this off, but this is only a long term solution if it worked everywhere I just wanted to note that COVID cannot be eradicated unless we also eradicate
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Respecting the fact that other reasonable people have different opinions would go a long way, also.
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> Wikileaks released all of Clinton's/DNC/Podesta email at a timing chosen specifically to inflict damage on the campaign of one party Do you mean the emails concerning attempts to steal/fix the Democrats primary? Why
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One could argue that if the community expanding over a couple of decades is what made a house more valuable then it would be appropriate for the community to receive the profit, and not the home owner who just sat there.
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But it's still a heavy thing to force other people into something. We live in quasi-democracies and a significant percentage of people feel differently than you do. There's also a significant percentage of people, me included, who
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The parent never mentioned a conspiracy. They did mention running into a lot of glibly dismissive dead ends researching their concerns. I don't think their decision is unreasonable. I'm personally not looking at the same factors,
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On many sites javascript is about ad-tracking, not "nice things". For example, cnn.com shows no content with javascript disabled. By itself html is perfectly capable of displaying text and graphics, that's what it is designed
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