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lorean_victor
3y ago
tbf I mentioned the www era decentralisation mostly. but I agree. as mentioned earlier, actually the fact that decentralisation has happened multiple times before, while convenience was kind of against it, is the reason I think it will most
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lorean_victor
3y ago
yes I think that'd be a great addition. any publisher can, optionally, introduce a hub for their feed, so people get realtime update of their content, and even a social hub, where other authors reacting to their content can use to noti
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3y ago
even for me, as a long time software engineer (who has worked devops before cloud and docker times), its not "hard" but it is "non-trivial" and can get "costly", while publishing my static blog is waay waaay ea
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lorean_victor
3y ago
thats an interesting perspective. I am personally much in favour of reducing unnecessary interdependence in society, specifically to big corps: google can really screw me up just because they provide an email service for me. questions that
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3y ago
I wouldn't characterise the history of the internet as having started with "everything decentralised". if I'm not missing something, it was completely the other way around. introduction of general populous to the interne
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3y ago
fair. but I'm assuming you need such expensive (and as a result, centralised) services regardless. a small part of content discovery is "who has reacted to my content", take the case of tiktok, in which a strong content disco
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3y ago
I am sorry I couldn't aptly understand you. did people migrate from twitter / reddit to discord / slack? That's an interesting phenomena if it has happened that I wasn't aware of, do you have sources I can read up o
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3y ago
exactly.
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lorean_victor
3y ago
I admire this vision, and also appreciate the fact that you quoted "just" to underline a recognition of how much of a fundamental shift this is :D
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lorean_victor
3y ago
thanks for the pointer!
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lorean_victor
3y ago
I wouldn't. I also wouldn't think about a decentralised email solution, or a decentralised messaging service. doesn't make sense. as for publishing my own blog though? nah I'd really rather a decentralised system where I
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3y ago
its not about "usability", in general, though. do you think reddit is truly usable? as a content consumer I would love to be somewhere where there is engaging content and content discovery. I go to mastodon, my feed is empty and t
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3y ago
what do you mean by "content-centric-networking"? perhaps I have some reading to do. the "allure of large companies hoarding all the data" might be a factor independently though. I personally believe a proper content dis
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3y ago
thanks for the thoughts. 1. I suspect something like Google, indexing feeds instead of websites, and also mapping what is a reaction to what, perhaps. something that makes a bit suspicious about the potential of this though, is the fact tha
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3y ago
how, though? I doubt we had an easier method than opening your phone and just typing a few sentences in a text box, or just "liking" or "reposting" something.
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3y ago
it has downsides though. I am constantly jumping between twitter, reddit, spotify (for podcasts) and youtube to see the content and latest updates from the same people. when I want to share something, I should think where should I post it,
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3y ago
agreed. it won't be a performance gain at all. but I suspect aggregating / indexing / etc. still is going to be the most resource consuming part of a push-based system if you want your content discovery to not be limited to t
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3y ago
the system doesn't need to be completely pull-based though. I don't even think most modern RSS readers are fully pull-based, don't they support WebSub? the main point is to separate publishing and distribution, making publish
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3y ago
I see your points (though I don't fully agree). Most of these relate to a "central search and discovery service". this doesn't need to be coupled with the rest of the network functionalities (posting content or interacti
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3y ago
no worries, I have worked as a product manager for a few products that "the real world" seems to care about, and I fully understand your sentiment. that's even why I've dedicated the last segment of the post to basically
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3y ago
You are right I'm sorry. I wasn't notified that anything discussed on these forums should be exclusively about whatever "the real world" cares about at least one bit (preferably 8 bits or more I guess?). Ah the nerds, wh
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3y ago
I think that's an issue of tools at your disposal to create content (including comments) rather than their distribution model (e.g. pull vs push). If your main method of saying stuff is through a blogpost, ofc you'll end up in the
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3y ago
yes it is a federated system by design. doesn't mean it is not a limitation though. to give you an example: in case of email, though it is not that difficult to host your own server (and even if you are a small startup you'll most
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it was quite easy for a small team to crawl and index a good portion of the internet, enough to become the de facto gateway (talking about Google). it was similarly possible for a relatively small team to crawl a good chunk of the available
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3y ago
I've got to disagree on this point. I am a firm believer in "democratisation" of anything, including "publishing content that many other people will see". this is what social media mainly have done, in my opinion. t
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I do recognise the fact that such "aggregators" would be hugely centralised (if not outright monopolised, like the search engine space). however, maybe I'm wrong but I don't see the federated model succeeding without suc
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thanks for taking the time to read through it regardless. I wrote this as a brain dump, and shared it mostly with the intent of learning more about the topic (which thanks to this thread, I already have), so I feel it is ok if it doesn'
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you don't need a CDN or even a DNS to host your blog (though most probably you'd use them). you will still be at the mercy of registries to have an IP address other people can find, but I think practically speaking it is not far f
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looks quite interesting, I wasn't aware of that. it seems like a nice hybrid solution to pull/push problem (relays can push if they choose to, clients just publish and pull). I should say though, that upon first look, I wish it wa
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3y ago
the thing is, with no intermediaries involved, more specifically, without any proper "search engines" (or "aggregators") involved, the network will suffer greatly from a content discovery problem regardless (as the fediv
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