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jeduehr
6y ago
Hi, I address this idea in this comment over here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26758597
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jeduehr
6y ago
I find this argument comes most often from people who already are so far down the rabbit hole, I had no chance of convincing them of anything anyway. Not always. But often. If you read the reddit comments, you'd also see ones like this
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jeduehr
6y ago
Hi I actually discussed the GOF several times in my post and subsequent comments. You can find them here: - http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/gk6y95/covid-19_did... - http://www.reddit.co
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jeduehr
6y ago
Hi, I actually provided several links filled with sources above. here is the main one you're referencing again: https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/gk6y95/covid19_did... Thanks
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jeduehr
6y ago
Then why has Shi Zhengli continued to support the zoonotic crossover theory as the most likely when the communist party no longer does? They left that behind a long time ago in favor of "The US did it."
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jeduehr
6y ago
Part of me thinks it's because that's an easier argument to make than actually addressing any of the substance. Easier to just assume I won't respond and then they'll look more "right."
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jeduehr
6y ago
Hi, it's actually voted on by users.
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jeduehr
6y ago
I just wanted to add that I probably was exaggerating when I said "we have no idea how that happened." re: VP40, bats, and ebola. Best guess is: a retrovirus and an ebola-like virus infected a bat cell at the same time, the retrov
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jeduehr
6y ago
In virology and other related biological sciences, the opposite is usually the case. All the most cutting edge stuff either happens in university labs or in the private sector. The military (in the US at least) has too much red tape and bur
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jeduehr
6y ago
Hi I've actually made a dozen or so specific arguments across this post. You can always respond to those if you want. Sorry if I come off as condescending but when you have this argument several dozen or hundred times, it gets really r
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jeduehr
6y ago
Hey, Let me know what proof you would want to show I am who I say I am. Thanks
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jeduehr
6y ago
EDIT: just figured out a better way to blastn it. CGG occurs 6,285,392 times in betacoronaviruses, across 84,987 described species. CGGCGG occurs 81,218 times across same.
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jeduehr
6y ago
Hi that's truly quite rude. I link to several, I have a zillion in my post. Are you arguing in good faith?
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jeduehr
6y ago
And here is probably the most salient argument of all. It comes down to occam's razor. Sure, is it /possible/ that some scientist in a lab decided to use an entirely unknown and undescribed natural virus as the subject of the
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jeduehr
6y ago
1200 mutations away from RATG-13 is how significant exactly? I will propose that it is not particularly significant. One virus I work with, I have 14 variants ranging from 300 to 500 base-pair differences. That is from passing in a laborato
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jeduehr
6y ago
as long as we're discussing the molecular science, I won't have to bring any credentials up. But you just /had/ to get those two little accusations in there, didn't you?
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jeduehr
6y ago
I asked if you wanted to talk explicitly about the science, you said no. Until you agree to that, I'm good. Thanks for the interesting thoughts, but I think for my own mental health, I'm good.
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jeduehr
6y ago
Okay, let me know when you wanna talk about it like adults! I'll be around when you do. Until then, I'm not really interested in being ad hominem attacked and so I'm gonna step back and study for my med school exams instead.
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jeduehr
6y ago
Also, important to say, if the virus emerged outside of Wuhan, nowhere near a lab, then this entire hypothesis falls apart because the only thing supporting it is the geographic proximity of Wuhan and the WIV. See here: https://w
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jeduehr
6y ago
Hi, never said they had to be within the sub-genera. Recombination can absolutely happen inter-genera and even inter-family. There's some evidence that Ebola got its VP40 from bats, or vice versa. Meaning that an RNA virus somehow got
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jeduehr
6y ago
You spend an awful lot of time attacking me and not very much time attacking my arguments. That's not very scientific of you. I said I had no way to know you were actually a virologist, which I didn't. It isn't really importa
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6y ago
Source? As far as I know, the government may have tried, but the scientists themselves were not down with it. This sort of culture of the openness of science is why the Chinese government distrusts scientists inherently. And also why Shi Zh
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jeduehr
6y ago
Hi, I made a response to the Deigin medium post in your original context. Sorry I don't have time to go more in depth, that thing is a beast. But he makes a few fundamental mistakes that tear at his core argument that I think are suffi
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jeduehr
6y ago
I say that we could /very likely/ detect the methods necessary to edit the virus. How do you suggest we would be able to completely engineer, from scratch, a novel virus with 1200 mutations spaced randomly throughout the genome, t
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jeduehr
6y ago
Hi there's actually quite a bit of reason to believe the zoonotic transmission didn't actually happen in Wuhan, based on the available genetic and epidemiological evidence. See here: https://www.reddit.com/r/s
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jeduehr
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....I presented a lot of extremely detailed arguments backed up by references in my original post and you just dismissed them by saying they "cherry pick" data. How is that true about anything I said regarding S/NS ratios, mo
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jeduehr
6y ago
Hi I'm not "coming to China's defense" here. I am no fan of the Chinese government I literally find them horrifically oppressive and a place I would /never/ want to live. I am no fan of China. I also anticipate
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jeduehr
6y ago
Hi, Yuri makes a few mistakes in this. 1) Chimeric viruses (copy and paste) are what scientists make in the lab. They take a piece of one virus and paste it into the genome of another, en masse. This is very different from what SARS-2 is, w
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jeduehr
6y ago
There was never a consensus that SARS-2 couldn't pass human-to-human. Just because WHO said it doesn't mean there was a consensus. There was also never a consensus about masks, the US government and a few US virologists just felt
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jeduehr
6y ago
I don't really have a lot of money (I'm 300k in debt from medical school and PhD school and undergrad combined) but sure... if Yuri Deigin or Alina Chan wagered with me, I would probably bet like.... idk $2,000 that it was a natur
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