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Hi I'm not "coming to China's defense" here. I am no fan of the Chinese government I literally find them horrifically oppressive and a place I would /never/ wan

Hi I'm not "coming to China's defense" here. I am no fan of the Chinese government I literally find them horrifically oppressive and a place I would /never/ want to live. I am no fan of China. I also anticipated this exact criticism and wrote a whole response to it. See here (#4): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vRbACWf90iBC35xNOwlI5bWcUq0nNzLc/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vRbACWf90iBC35xNOwlI5bWcUq0...

natch 6y ago
Yes green account, whatever you say.
- jeduehr 6y ago
  Hey, Let me know what proof you would want to show I am who I say I am. Thanks
  - natch 6y ago
    Ad homenim doesn’t really fly for me, even in a positive sense. But thanks.
- dang 6y ago
  You have repeatedly been an asshole in this thread. That's seriously not cool, regardless of how wrong other commenters are or you feel they are. Attacking users for being new is particularly bad. Do we want HN to be a smug, insular community or welcoming to newcomers? Obviously the latter. Please don't poison it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - natch 6y ago
    Sorry! I'll reexamine myself on the comments in this thread. I suppose I was kind of triggered by certain aspects, which may not be a good excuse. And I realize this is only part of it, but I definitely don't want to attack someone for being new.
natch 6y ago
Hi again jeduehr, I want to apologize for some of my attitude in my comments to you here. Some of what I said I regret. Some of what I said was probably incorrect, and a lot of it was rude. Other parts, I still believe I would stand by, but I have to admit I haven't yet worked my way fully through your document, and it was poor form of me to give you that much grief especially given that fact, and, whether I agree with you or not, my way of expressing disagreement could have been less bad. Thank you for all your contributions on this. While I do have my doubts reading some of your responses (which do not always seem to address concerns head on, especially responses to questions about lab leaks of natural viruses, which I've seen you respond to with something about engineered viruses, which wasn't the question), I believe you may be sincere, and I understand the value of extending the benefit of the doubt. I hope this discussion doesn't color your experience in a bad way. I'll say one thing about China… it will surprise you (general "you") and defy your assumptions. Jaw-dropping moments are a daily occurrence. Of course we could say the same thing about most countries though.

natch 6y ago

Yes green account, whatever you say.

jeduehr 6y ago
Hey, Let me know what proof you would want to show I am who I say I am. Thanks
- natch 6y ago
  Ad homenim doesn’t really fly for me, even in a positive sense. But thanks.
dang 6y ago
You have repeatedly been an asshole in this thread. That's seriously not cool, regardless of how wrong other commenters are or you feel they are. Attacking users for being new is particularly bad. Do we want HN to be a smug, insular community or welcoming to newcomers? Obviously the latter. Please don't poison it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- natch 6y ago
  Sorry! I'll reexamine myself on the comments in this thread. I suppose I was kind of triggered by certain aspects, which may not be a good excuse. And I realize this is only part of it, but I definitely don't want to attack someone for being new.

natch 6y ago

Hi again jeduehr, I want to apologize for some of my attitude in my comments to you here. Some of what I said I regret. Some of what I said was probably incorrect, and a lot of it was rude. Other parts, I still believe I would stand by, but I have to admit I haven't yet worked my way fully through your document, and it was poor form of me to give you that much grief especially given that fact, and, whether I agree with you or not, my way of expressing disagreement could have been less bad. Thank you for all your contributions on this. While I do have my doubts reading some of your responses (which do not always seem to address concerns head on, especially responses to questions about lab leaks of natural viruses, which I've seen you respond to with something about engineered viruses, which wasn't the question), I believe you may be sincere, and I understand the value of extending the benefit of the doubt. I hope this discussion doesn't color your experience in a bad way. I'll say one thing about China… it will surprise you (general "you") and defy your assumptions. Jaw-dropping moments are a daily occurrence. Of course we could say the same thing about most countries though.