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jasonlaramburu
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jasonlaramburu
5y ago
Was EcoHealth Alliance, the group referenced in the article, working in Wuhan?
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5y ago
How is this actually enforceable? Anyone with internet and power can mine. Could they firewall the entire bootstrap IP list for Bitcoin mining?
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> If there's a reasonable theory why this is, please explain. The % of Americans fully vaccinated is too low to achieve herd immunity against the more transmissible delta variant. > no democracy has been more aggressive about vac
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Sorry, if you won’t concede that the vaccines save lives then it is not possible to have a further discussion in good faith. They didn’t get a test but they got symptomatic covid at the height of both waves.
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>Get everyone who wants it the vaccine Presumably this has already occurred. COVID daily death rates in the US are on track to meet or exceed the previous all time high. It is undeniable at this point that the vaccine effectively elimina
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>What kind of evidence are you expecting to be discovered? Teleconferences where they discuss intentionally killing people by causing overdoses? I am not a lawyer, but I don't think the state needs to prove intent to kill. It could
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Totally agree. My point was that perhaps the problem is our tendency to vest complete, unquestioned authority to individual leaders within many different institutions.
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> Any time you have kids with parents who put them under the care of authority figures you’re setting up a stage for abuse of trust and power The same could be said of many ‘adult’ institutions, like corporations and governments. America
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5y ago
I'm not addressing your characterization of a particular group of people (liberals) because that is 100% your opinion and largely speculative. This thread, and the OP are discussions of a vaccine mandate for workplace safety. OSHA has
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> My point was not that at all. Sure it was. You said in reference to 'liberals' who support covid vaccine mandates (but presumably wouldn't support measures to restrict 100% of other risky behaviors): "Their hypocris
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Double blind technique should eliminate a lot of these confounders, eg if you don’t know whether or not you’ve received the vaccine, your behavior presumably wouldn’t change much. However that is admittedly harder with the MRNA vaccines sin
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No not really. Your claim (perhaps in bad faith) is that HIV and Covid should be treated as equivalents (or that it is at least hypocritical to NOT consider them equivalents). However that is not relevant to this particular discussion or ma
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As I said, the current mandate and OP are matters of workplace safety. You cannot contract HIV under normal workplace conditions, so it is not equivalent or germane to this discussion. Likewise, employers in the US are free to require invas
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If you won’t provide proof you can substitute a weekly negative test.
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5y ago
Or they’re more likely to take risks out of perceived protection. Well designed studies do take these factors into account and ensure a sufficiently large and diverse sample size.
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You weaken your position by speculating about the motivations of those who support of the vaccine mandates. It is just as easy to speculate about the motivations of those who reject vaccines. Perhaps they just want to create chaos for the c
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The war on drugs is a decades long deterrence campaign. We have more addicts than ever. It has failed.
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Do you have data to support this claim?
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Your argument is weak. The only evidence you have provided that vaccination cannot lead to herd immunity is a quote tweet about Iceland which has been discredited. US experts argue vaccination can confer herd immunity. If you disagree prese
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It’s a hypothetical. It also requires infringing on the rights of a protected class. Covid vaccines are being mandated for all.
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> None of these vaccine mandate advocates would be calling for any type of infringement if it related to refraining from irresponsible behavior like over-eating, alcohol consumption, drug use, or high-risk sexual activity. It’s a false e
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Sorry I’m not following. Russia has a much lower vaccination rate than the US: ~30% versus 54%. They also have an arguably inferior vaccine.
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Is that primarily due to vaccine denial or poor government planning?
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>Can you help me understand why you choose to compare USA vs Iceland (which is fraught with confounding factors) I didn’t, the parent brought up Iceland. What are the confounding factors? >Iceland(early) vs Iceland (now) Ok, at its pe
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> Mandating abortion bans is prohibiting an act (getting an abortion). Banning abortion means de facto forcing someone to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term.
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There is no safe, free and effective vaccine against HIV, so these are not equivalent.
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> I was arguing that given Iceland, at almost full vaccination, is having its biggest COVID wave yet By ignoring the denominator you misinterpret your own data. Iceland’s ‘biggest wave yet’ had >2x fewer cases and 4x fewer hospitaliza
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> If you are equally likely to be exposed to COVID if many are unvaccinated as if many are vaccinated That’s not true. According to data YOU provided, unvaccinated people are more than 2x more likely to be infected than vaccinated. Less
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It’s not clear what your argument is. I agree with you that reducing medical expenses is being used by some as a justification for vaccine mandates. The data you provided also clearly shows vaccines reduce hospitalizations.
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They are not equivalent. There is zero evidence you can catch obesity or alcoholism in an elevator from someone you don’t know. And in the context of workplace safety, an alcoholic cannot show up for work drunk.
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