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by istingray 5y ago
Same here. The fact that this is the #1 item on their blog post gives me concern as a paying customer. They cannot and should not guarantee this. It is a losing strategy. They must educate customers on the limits of Protonmail. Or at least,
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by istingray 5y ago
And more legal requests are coming. Protonmail has a target on its back. That 2/day will soon be 20/day. That means Protonmail needs to stop training users to "trust us". It's a losing strategy. Protonmail must educ
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by istingray 5y ago
Disclaimer: Paying Protonmail customer Their homepage says "By default, we do not keep any IP logs" In 2021, any soft language like this should be a red flag for anyone who is against surveillance. Maybe in 2018 it was good enough
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by istingray 5y ago
Journalists, whistleblowers, and teachers in certain countries are performing "illegal business".
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by istingray 5y ago
Disclaimer: Paying Protonmail customer This is a weak response. "What we're changing" isn't specific. It's a "our shit doesn't stink" kind of reply. "What we're changing" should be far
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by istingray 5y ago
Disclaimer: Paying Protonmail customer here Waiting on someone inspired to build something better. I spend $50/year with Protonmail. I expect Proton to communicate differently about what they offer. And to educate users about what surv
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by istingray 5y ago
Wow neat how do you browse the web, Lynx?
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by istingray 5y ago
I hope you emailed them to say why. Share the email here if you don't mind.
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by istingray 5y ago
Nope. Figure out a way to make it anonymous or I'm out.
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by istingray 5y ago
Solid points. A report card for various privacy policies would be useful. Seen anything like that?
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by istingray 5y ago
I'm fine with Proton treating my data as a liability. Give me the tools to take away that liability by only sending them noise through an anonymous email address. I will pay for that.
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by istingray 5y ago
It sounds like you have a better idea, please share!
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by istingray 5y ago
Is this the same case? Maybe I'm missing some crucial info. A week ago: "Proton reached out to us to confirm that the only data provided to Swiss authorities was the date of account creation." [1] Today: Article published cla
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by istingray 5y ago
Suggest "Disable" on the logs. Setup Brave preferences to default to Onion sites when available. And use Tor: https://protonmailrmez3lotccipshtkleegetolb73fuirgj7r4o4vfu7...
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by istingray 5y ago
Any new tools developed with that in mind for us mortals? Would love to sign up for some Tor-first services. So far the best we've got are Tor services that mirror public ones.
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by istingray 5y ago
See, I like this idea. This is the type of thinking I'm paying Protonmail for.
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by istingray 5y ago
Don't call it a "HoneyProt"!
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by istingray 5y ago
Not my problem. I pay Protonmail to work on behalf of users, and empower users to the extent allowed by law. This includes educating users about the adversarial actions that Protonmail itself can take against them (warrant, rogue employee,
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by istingray 5y ago
Agreed -- "even treat that as adversarial".
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by istingray 5y ago
I pasted an email I sent to Protonmail above. If they can't come up with language that's clear, use text from their privacy policy verbatim. Start educating users not to trust anything but what's in the policy, and even treat
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by istingray 5y ago
Do tell, how do you plan your clandestine operations?
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by istingray 5y ago
All the Protonmail customers out there, what did you do about this? For starters, I emailed Protonmail support. Here's mine: Hi, Your homepage reads "By default, we do not keep any IP logs..." This language is soft and mislea
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by istingray 5y ago
I'm interested. Currently spending ~$58/year with Protonmail including a custom domain.
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by istingray 5y ago
The problem is that engaging in "potentially dangerous activities" includes such a wide range of people. Think about a journalist in Afghanistan, a whisteblower in the USA, or a human rights activist in China. They're all eng
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by istingray 5y ago
Too bad, figure out a way to solve for it. I'm paying for private email service, not a pretty picture of the Swiss Alps on their website. If they don't provide it, someone else will, and I'll pay them instead. This isn't
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by istingray 5y ago
Ah I see. It's an issue for my use of Protonmail, in that I may cancel and move to another vendor who is more forthright. Here's what I would expect my future vendor to say about this: "Hey, we respect your needs. However, we
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by istingray 5y ago
I gave an example in another post. Basically "Hey, we respect your needs. However, we have to tell you that you should treat us as a bit of an adversary. We will do what we can as a private company, but ultimately we can be compelled b
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by istingray 5y ago
That's a great point. This should be better publicized. Protonmail requires a phone number to register through Tor.
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by istingray 5y ago
Yes, Protonmail requires a phone number to register over Tor! Even though they claim no identity is required to register. I confirmed this today when I created a fresh Protonmal account over Tor: https://news.ycombinator.com&#x2
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by istingray 5y ago
"We don't keep IP addresses. (we keep PI addresses which are tooooootally different and you didn't ask about those)"

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