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Too bad, figure out a way to solve for it. I'm paying for private email service, not a pretty picture of the Swiss Alps on their website. If they don't provide

Too bad, figure out a way to solve for it. I'm paying for private email service, not a pretty picture of the Swiss Alps on their website. If they don't provide it, someone else will, and I'll pay them instead. This isn't the Hotmail age where everyone expects free email.

bigiain 5y ago
> This isn't the Hotmail age where everyone expects free email. It totally is. I was running my own mail server for a while. The thing that finally pushed me into not bothering any more was when I looked at my logs and realised 82% of my non-spam non-marketing email was captured by google (where at least one recipient was either @gmail.com or a gsuite custom domain).
- LightG 5y ago
  So you gave up? Decided to play dead?
goatsi 5y ago
>This isn't the Hotmail age where everyone expects free email. Protonmail does offer a free tier, which is the problem. I'm sure they would be happy to take a payment instead, as the whole point of phone verification is to impose a cost on account creation. Perhaps they can rework their account registration flow to offer the ability to upgrade to a paid account at the verification step.
- istingray 5y ago
  See, I like this idea. This is the type of thinking I'm paying Protonmail for.
- fishtacos 5y ago
  If you're upgrading to a paid account, isn't that even worse than the initial step in terms of anonymity? I get that they need to make money to survive, but this requirement isn't displaced by e2ee - it provides a misleading and false sense of security. Anonymity toward state actors is compromised in either situation, whether phone verification or payment validation. Doubt I'm the only one who thinks this, but the value proposition of their service is cancelled by their stated terms, which at least they make available. I have similar doubts about the veracity of claims by VPN providers (including mine) in terms of not keeping logs. tor remains the only usable anonymising method with a decent track record. It's a shame Protonmail discriminates against it.
  - goatsi 5y ago
    They support Bitcoin as a payment method. If you take precautions (ie use a Monero -> Bitcoin payment service over tor) I don't see it as compromising your identity.
shp0ngle 5y ago
They did figure out a way, they ask for phone number.
- istingray 5y ago
  Nope. Figure out a way to make it anonymous or I'm out.

bigiain 5y ago

> This isn't the Hotmail age where everyone expects free email. It totally is. I was running my own mail server for a while. The thing that finally pushed me into not bothering any more was when I looked at my logs and realised 82% of my non-spam non-marketing email was captured by google (where at least one recipient was either @gmail.com or a gsuite custom domain).

LightG 5y ago
So you gave up? Decided to play dead?

goatsi 5y ago

>This isn't the Hotmail age where everyone expects free email. Protonmail does offer a free tier, which is the problem. I'm sure they would be happy to take a payment instead, as the whole point of phone verification is to impose a cost on account creation. Perhaps they can rework their account registration flow to offer the ability to upgrade to a paid account at the verification step.

istingray 5y ago
See, I like this idea. This is the type of thinking I'm paying Protonmail for.
fishtacos 5y ago
If you're upgrading to a paid account, isn't that even worse than the initial step in terms of anonymity? I get that they need to make money to survive, but this requirement isn't displaced by e2ee - it provides a misleading and false sense of security. Anonymity toward state actors is compromised in either situation, whether phone verification or payment validation. Doubt I'm the only one who thinks this, but the value proposition of their service is cancelled by their stated terms, which at least they make available. I have similar doubts about the veracity of claims by VPN providers (including mine) in terms of not keeping logs. tor remains the only usable anonymising method with a decent track record. It's a shame Protonmail discriminates against it.
- goatsi 5y ago
  They support Bitcoin as a payment method. If you take precautions (ie use a Monero -> Bitcoin payment service over tor) I don't see it as compromising your identity.

shp0ngle 5y ago

They did figure out a way, they ask for phone number.

istingray 5y ago
Nope. Figure out a way to make it anonymous or I'm out.