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hn_urbit_thr123
3y ago
Like most platforms, it's valuable IFF a lot of people build on it. But the fact that I can make an on-topic, constructive and informative comment about it and still get downvoted tells you everything you need to know about how likely
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hn_urbit_thr123
3y ago
Sorry if I was unclear, it's a hard thing to summarize, but the useful part of it is in being a platform for app development, not just the fact that it hosts stuff. "End user server-side apps" isn't really a thing that
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hn_urbit_thr123
3y ago
100% urbit. The idea behind it (briefly: "personal server", an easy-to-use, no-frills place for an end-user to run server-side use cases like storing important files, hosting a blog, etc that's portable between cloud hosts a
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hn_urbit_thr123
3y ago
I really like the idea of Kelvin versioning for an OS: instead of counting up and adding features forever, count down until you're done.
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hn_urbit_thr123
3y ago
Thanks for working on this. Have you considered abandoning urbit references and nomenclature? I've been casually following urbit a long time, and think there's a case to be made that it has accumulated enough toxic baggage to ru
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hn_urbit_thr123
3y ago
I'm not bored, just sad. The "personal server" thing is a cool idea. I think the world would be better if it existed and worked well enough for wide adoption, but it seems like it'll never happen because the first guy
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hn_urbit_thr123
3y ago
The problem isn't that you're wrong, it's that this is the same cutting insight everyone has in their first five minutes of exposure to urbit. It's like going to Australia and telling everyone you meet that vegemite pro
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hn_urbit_thr123
3y ago
If you decided to make a fork of linux, and wrote an article explaining why, would you expect it to be easily comprehensible to someone who's never used linux?
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hn_urbit_thr123
3y ago
It's disappointing how much low-effort bashing there is in this whole thread. Sure urbit is weird and has a lot of baggage and questionable design decisions, but the project we're discussing is explicitly an attempt to separate
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hn_urbit_thr123
3y ago
My (relatively unbiased and informed) summary of what urbit is from the last time it came up is here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31124343 As someone who thinks urbit would solve an important use case but is too ho
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hn_urbit_thr123
4y ago
There's no rollback, it's an atomic transaction. The certainty that messages are always handled completely or fail completely is one of the big design constraints that made the whole thing so hinky.
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hn_urbit_thr123
4y ago
Yes, but the receiver can be faulty. If it acknowledges the message and then crashes before handling it, you've got at-most-once, and if it handles the message and then crashes before acknowledging it, you've got at-least-once.
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hn_urbit_thr123
4y ago
You don't have to understand the linux kernel to buffer overlow a linux application; If they do something like "Here's the IP of a running urbit with 100BTC in it, good luck!" and it's still up in a few years, that&
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hn_urbit_thr123
4y ago
Is it even realistic to make a provably secure/stable applications on an OS like windows or linux? This (provable correctness of programs, at the expense of performance) is one of the explicit design goals or urbit. I know HN hates u
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hn_urbit_thr123
4y ago
How do you keep apps from accessing other apps' data on linux? By creating separate user accounts with limited permissions for the apps to run under, right? Same deal here. Except that in urbit, "different user account" im
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hn_urbit_thr123
4y ago
Urbit is an OS, apps have access to whatever you give them access to. If you want one app (say, a dating profile) to not have access to data stored by another app (say, your bitcoin wallet), you run them under separate sub-identities as de
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hn_urbit_thr123
4y ago
I agree, I was being terse; it'd be more accurate to say you can be banned off of the urbit network entirely if everyone hates you, but if only most people hate you, you can still use it (but may only be able to talk to the other out
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hn_urbit_thr123
4y ago
FWIW here's an explainer I wrote up a year ago for a friend who asked. I'm not affiliated with urbit, except that I want a product that does what it does (which at this point means I'm hoping someone reinvents it, because it