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gonvaled
10y ago
Why is English so important? You are going to speak it in the workplace, for sure, but why do you need that the people in the street are fluent in English? The couple of sentences that you'll exchange in the restaurant will come throug
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gonvaled
10y ago
Ah, the referendum! The non-event?
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10y ago
What brexit?
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10y ago
> This would also mean that the biggest losers would be the exact same people would voted for Brexit: white, older, English middle class. You will always have trickle down economics to make the middle class much richer. Oh, wait, this do
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10y ago
> There has been peace in Europe because, frankly, the Europeans are weak. What is this? Most of the regions in conflict in the world are, according to the scales he sets, "weak".
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10y ago
That graph is of course correct, but the question remains, at what level do you centralize? The idea of the EU is that the central point is the EU, and that it is the EU which makes deals with the rest of the blocks. If we follow throug
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10y ago
But did they campaign on facts? Did they have a plan? Are they going to use this plan for brexit? Where is the plan? I understand that the plan is maybe not detailed, but I assume they have some kind of detailed roadmap on how to proceed? T
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10y ago
A sweet deal for the UK is automatic EU collapse. So that's out of the table. A clean deal with the UK, which means tabula rasa, out of the EU and then a deal on equal footing, is the only acceptable deal. That could mean indeed a
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I follow you until here: > Unfortunately that might just grow UKIPs electoral base as they'll feel legitimized to keep blaming the EU for any UK issues. How would the UKIP be blaming the EU once the UK is out? Whatever the deal the
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10y ago
To be completely fair, I did not say "nothing": > they have taken everything from the EU, and given little in return (not edited, that's my original statement)
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10y ago
Not so fast. The EU has already accepted that the UK is gone. They are pressuring for negotiations to start, and refusing to do any kind of informal negotiation. It does not look like they are afraid of negotiating at all, which suggests th
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And one important factor - an “interest“ if you will - is to make cristal clear what are the beneffits of EU membership. So, if “trade with UK“ has weight 10, and “survival of EU“ has weight 1000 (the exact numbers will vary), you have quit
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10y ago
Indeed. I am not even sure that Boris Johnson expected , or even wanted to win. Is he awol?
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10y ago
I see your point of view, and I'll try to explain mine: This has been a big blow and, unless we act united and fast, the EU is going to crumble. You say that, due to how the referendum has played out, it would be better to repeat it in
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10y ago
They haven't though of that, and lots of other things. As the UK politicians are lacking a plan too. - Cameron organizing a referendum without a plan in case he loses, and stepping down? Check! - Boris disappearing in moments of crisis
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10y ago
Thats because (overall)you are richer: the EU works at the region level. Besides, the EU is not only money, there are also intangibles. Besides, you are counting only EU related expenditures. Are you counting indirect benefits? How much mon
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10y ago
I do not want to crush anybody. I want to salvage what is left of the EU. We can not allow for uncertainty, since now we'll get 20 more referenda all around the EU. YOU have decided, and must take responsibility. We can not wait for ye
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10y ago
Sure, in no time. It tool 40 years of painful integration to build the current net of trust, but thanks to finally freeing itself from the EU, the following will happen in no time: - negotiate exit, in extremely good terms for the UK. Who c
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10y ago
No time, really. This can be achieved practically overnight, thanks to now being free from the EU hegemon. Now the UK will hapily ssil to its glorious and deserved destiny!
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10y ago
Which is considerably worse than what they have today.
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10y ago
It is not the wrong side of history. It is just that history has a penchant of breaking havoc every now and then. We'll start feeling the riples of this in a couple of years. What a huge mistake!
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10y ago
Madrid has already confirmed that they will block Scotland from entering the EU. Very sad.
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Brexit won’t shield Britain
(theguardian.com)
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- they have taken everything from the EU, and given little in return. - they have dragged their feet for 40 years, preventing EU progress - they have forced on the EU expansion to the East (which I welcome), and then complained that too man
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> There is nothing in the treaty about automatic invocation of the exit clause following a referendum Sure there is not. The details are necessarily vague, since it is not possible to know the exact situation in which a withdrawal from t
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10y ago
So, let me understand what you are saying: you are saying that, while the markets are in turmoil, the policical functioning of the EU is blocked, and the very existence of the EU is in question, the EU is politely going to wait until the br
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The recession has hit the Whole world, not just the EU. countries outside the EU also have inequality problems, arguably more so. You have decided to leave beleaving that being independent will improve your chances of facing global problems
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10y ago
I doubt it. They have legally the same rights and obligations, but in practice I do not see the rest of the EU willing to work with the UK representatives. They will get the minimum legally required, and will have to satisfy the maximum of
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10y ago
Not sure if you are trolling, but I'll bite. For one, and by definition, broken agreements and extra burden to paimfully craft new ones. Work duplication. Petty fighting for minute details with each potential partner. Next, broken trus
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10y ago
No vindictive sanctions, just a deal on EU terms. The UK can take it or leave it.
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