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euyyn
9y ago
Ok that's better than if only currently-residing people were allowed to vote. The argument stands for Catalans living elsewhere in Spain. But I grant that "you're allowed to vote if you can vote in the General elections as a
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euyyn
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Luckily all court orders in Spain (like in most or all western countries) are explicitly reasoned in the order itself, so there isn't a need to ask the judge or guess. The people getting served those orders can publish the legal reason
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euyyn
9y ago
Your mocking argument is that only magicians can expect people to maintain their views?
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euyyn
9y ago
Thanks for the links! From them, he was asked whether he was under contract by the Generalitat to do it. If they can't find any evidence of such contract, I expect the charges will be dismissed and his stuff restored. I don't thin
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euyyn
9y ago
MPs in Spain have asked the same. Doesn't mean those other countries wouldn't have their judges apply the law. Not only it is the judge's job: it's not even legal for a judge to knowingly allow an illegal action.
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euyyn
9y ago
What do the court orders argue for blocking those three websites?
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euyyn
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> Private citizens have been arrested for mirroring the websites with their own resources. I very much would like to see a source for this, and, if the order to arrest them was given by the TSJC judge, what the reasoning was and whether
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euyyn
9y ago
That Constitution was voted in referendum by the whole country, and the support it got in Catalonia was even greater than in Madrid. > the people most oppressed by Franco Let's at least agree that this is subjective.
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euyyn
9y ago
It won't be respected by all, not even by all ERC politicians. Don't fall into the trap of thinking Catalonia is somehow free of hypocrites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnMA7KdGxn0
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euyyn
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I was basing it on what the parent commenter said. I can't really tell if he's in the wrong or you are because, as you said, I haven't looked it up myself. Even with your version my fairness argument stands. How is it fair th
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euyyn
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Why would the TSJC judge be ordering things like taking apps and websites down, if the referendum weren't illegal?
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euyyn
9y ago
Most if not all western democracies give the Government the power to pardon convicts. It's one of the checks the three branches have against each other. I, along with the vast majority of Spaniards, agree that it's been abused and
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euyyn
9y ago
A 1min Google search gives: TÍTULO PRELIMINAR Artículo 1. Andalucía. 1. Andalucía, como nacionalidad histórica y en el ejercicio del derecho de autogobierno que reconoce la Constitución, se constituye en Comunidad Autónoma en el marco de la
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euyyn
9y ago
> was an independent state in all ways aside from military and foreign policy It was still an absolute monarchy with the same monarch; it's not like the Aragonese were free to choose their own destiny. Still, the Constitutions Charl
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euyyn
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> The Spanish Government does not want the Catalan government to be able to organize people and thus has tried to remove the people's right to communicate with each other about it. This has very little relation to the actual situati
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euyyn
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I'm just speculating with what made you think this: > What is happening currently shows that the right to free speech is not respected by the Spanish government. because you didn't explain it. The Spanish have the assurance, fr
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euyyn
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I mean, yeah. And a while ago a president pardoned a guy from the other party that had been sentenced to 10 years in prison for kidnapping. I think there's still a stretch from "there are corrupt politicians and the monarchy and p
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euyyn
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I was actually quoting from your link. "The measures we are witnessing are worrying because they appear to violate fundamental individual rights". They are worrying because they appear to violate those rights. Of course, any s
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euyyn
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Or the ISPs would be told to block the site. Not really sure how it's usually done for websites in general.
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euyyn
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It's also the war that made Gibraltar pass from Spanish to English hands.
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euyyn
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Out of curiosity, how do the Catalan constitutions Charles promised to uphold compare to the current autonomy? Also, is it historically accepted that, if Charles had won, he wouldn't have done the same to the other regions with fueros
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euyyn
9y ago
Maybe he plays for Barça?
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euyyn
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I guess if it were a PC program, the judge would need to order to the sites that host it to stop distributing it in Spain?
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euyyn
9y ago
The fact that it is how this referendum was designed doesn't mean it's fair. E.g. why would a foreigner that's been living in Catalonia for a few weeks, and plans to move away within a month to never return, have more of a sa
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euyyn
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> If I'm mistaken, then which European country did you have in mind, which couldn't decide to do the same thing, because their respective institutions would strike down the law as unconstitutional (even if it had majority suppo
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euyyn
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> What is happening currently shows that the right to free speech is not respected by the Spanish government. You might have missed the non-stop concentrations of people claiming for independence. Or if you think the app being banned fro
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euyyn
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Yeah I know that. The point I was trying to make is that the referendum wasn't deemed illegal because "the government of Catalonia isn't allowed to ask people's preferences". It is allowed and it happens all the tim
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euyyn
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Oh my god of course it's not, unless by government you mean something broader than the executive branch, in which case you have to include the judiciary too. The three separate powers is the foundation of western democracies.
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euyyn
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Pretty much. What kind of law could possibly prevent that? Practically speaking, a privately organized referendum would need access to census data, and wouldn't have binding implications.
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> Tyranny is a group not allowing another group to decide what to do. It's easier to separate Communists from non-Communists, because each of us gets to vote to only one party, than Catalans from non-Catalans. And even though Commun
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