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elliottinvent
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Thanks for your comment. Companies don’t need to adopt the standard for their data to be in DNS. We’re populating DNS with public website data already. All *.uk domains will be populated in the next 10 days. Then we’ll roll it out further.
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We're pre-populating NUM with useful data, so it doesn't require domain registrants to adopt it. NUM modules are much simpler than other comparable web standards so any data stored will be consistent and easy for developers that c
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Thanks for your comment. > Have any of your test users been behind corporate firewalls yet? I ask because there are some corporate firewalls (Fortigate, PAN to name a couple) that will see excessive DNS requests as a denial of service at
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5y ago
> What benefits does NUM have over html over http? Web standards (JSON-LD, microdata, RDFa) are inefficient, since you have to download the entire HTML to find a particular piece of data like a phone number. Web standards are also not wi
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5y ago
I appreciate your feedback and am interested by your point of view on this. > It's not better for the internet as a whole. We've built this because we believe if all the people manually trawling websites looking for particular
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5y ago
Actually, I think this is a JSON object to populate the companies on the homepage. When you click one of these companies a NUM lookup is run on the domain name, then all contact data comes out of DNS.
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5y ago
Thanks for your comment and for highlighting this. As a summary for others: Telnic (and Telnames) allowed people to store contact data in the DNS of their .tel domain name. > Sounds similar to Telnic Telnic used NAPTR records and was onl
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5y ago
Thanks for your comment. > DNS providers are not going to let you store e.g. every item of your inventory in separate TXT records There are some industry-standard limits in Cloud DNS (10k zones per customer, 10k resource records [e.g. TX
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5y ago
If it's useful data that's being stored and retrieved, I'd argue it's better for the internet as a whole. It shifts load from webservers (where people are downloading 5mb of page data just to find a phone number) to DNS,
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> So the interesting part here is not supposed to be querying dns data from the client side of a website, but a new standard for machine readable data in TXT records? Correct > I mean between microdata, rdf, etc there's been a lo
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5y ago
Thanks very much, if you need any help or have any questions just let me know – reply here or email elliott[dot]brown[at]num.uk
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5y ago
> None of this is free. The data that powers this website is offered free to developers. > You're not the party doing the offering. We're offering it through our DNS zone num.net. > Half the bill is being footed by cloudf
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5y ago
Thanks for the heads up here. This is for error reporting, which is kind of ironic – we'll take a look.
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5y ago
Thanks for highlighting this – it comes from company-api, which is built on top of the DNS: https://www.npmjs.com/package/company-api
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5y ago
The long game is for companies to store NUM data when they register a domain, potentially through their DNS provider or web designer. Maybe even storing machine readable data instead of a website, since many small business websites are cook
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There are pretty standard industry limits in Cloud DNS (AWS, Microsoft, Google): 10,000 DNS zones per customer 10,000 resource records per zone Both can be increased by request At scale, query costs work out at $200 USD to answer 1 billion
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> it looks like Semantic Web is not dead but actually accelerating growth IMO the general-purpose semantic web (not that used in academia) is only useful for huge companies like Google, with the engineering capacity to understand all the
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5y ago
What we're trying to do here is standardise how machine-readable data is stored and retrieved, primarily for companies. Any of the companies on this page can adopt the standard and override the data on the website. So the point is, it&
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5y ago
The https api is Cloudlfare DNS-over-HTTPS (it could be any other provider) - is just the best method to use in browsers, backend services can use standard DNS. Storing this stuff in DNS is what enables: - individual domain owners to adopt
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Thanks for your feedback. Obviously I think it’s cool but I doubt that’ll be a good enough reason for most people. NUM is a protocol for storage and retrieval of data, that’s all. Hopefully the demonstration shows it’s pretty good at that.
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I think you could argue DNS over HTTPS is centralised (for now) with Cloudflare, Quad9, Google making up the main players. But I think the DNS is the original decentralised system due to the amount of players in the domain registrar /
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Show HN: DNS-powered website with no back end
(companydirectory.uk)
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All of the contact data on this website is fetched from DNS TXT records. It's an example of how NUM [0] data can be used. A small team and I have created NUM because we believe that paid, restricted, rate-limited APIs provided by the g
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As a UK user on mobile over 30% of the viewable area is a cookie alert. There’s no need for tracking cookies on the home page as shown by Github’s recent blog post [0] 0. https://github.blog/2020-12-17-no-cookie-for-you/
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6y ago
If your offering is to tech folk, like the HN community, GA may be a red flag. I suppose it depends on your product and offering. Personally I think anyone who reports my visit to their website to a third party is a gossip. And GA is the bi
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6y ago
I would recommend obsessing over your hobbies until they become a profession.
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Search engines are designed to give you the best result on the web today. The Wayback Machine / archive.org is a snapshot in time of the web. If search engines combined the current web and old web it would be an interesting experiment
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6y ago
In the python world this is StrictYAML: https://hitchdev.com/strictyaml/
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Facebook has been down talked plenty here too so I’m not sure it’s a good comparator. A lot of the proponents of Bitcoin are pushing it in the same way people push MLM and ponzi schemes and for the same reasons, which is unfortunate. For ma
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Thanks for this, we commented at the same time - we’re refining the protocol and the language we use to store data in DNS. We’d love feedback and input on both.
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