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by edanm 2y ago
> Eww don't pinkwash genocide. You're just not responding to anything I actually said or anything I actually believe. You asked why not give Palestinians "equal rights", meaning make them citizens of Israel with vot
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by edanm 2y ago
Yes, of course I think they should have their own state like any other state. That's what a two state solution means. I think there will need to be some security guarantees to prevent it from turning out similarly to Gaza. I have no
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by edanm 2y ago
> I'm fine with a 2 state solution if that's what the Palestinans want. My issue is that Israel is unlikely to follow the rules given their current behavior so why not just make it 1 state with equal rights? Is that really so s
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by edanm 2y ago
Well, I agree, the current government of Israel is awful, as is Hamas. But I'm still not sure what you think Israel should've and could've done differently specifically on the point of Hamas. In your scenario, if the governor
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by edanm 2y ago
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. To clarify some things that maybe are unclear: First, occupation is not the same as colonization. Second, I was speaking of Gaza specifically when I talked about there being more vs. l
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by edanm 2y ago
> There was no meaningful "peace deal" because there were no meaningful concessions on the root cause: the settlement policy. I don't understand what you mean. The negotiation was to come to an agreement to stop settlement
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by edanm 2y ago
> Hmm... I smell a double standard. Cite Israeli aggression too recently and it's justified sensationalism - cite it from the 50s and you're passing an invisible statute of limitations. My problem with citing one statement out
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by edanm 2y ago
> No, that's not how this works. My 23&Me says my family came from Africa (as did all people), then southwest Asia then Europe but that doesn't give me the right to go to one of those countries and claim land. You brought u
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by edanm 2y ago
> Please do not mistake me for someone who has any sympathy for the plight Israeli leadership finds itself in today. They belong in the Hague. That's fair enough, many Israelis feel likewise. You shouldn't mistake me for liking
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by edanm 2y ago
> Only in its internal propaganda. The UN and even Israel's strongest allies consider all 4 areas to be occupied, and illegally so. Oh, I meant that it hasn't been 75 years, not that the territories aren't occupied. They&#
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by edanm 2y ago
> But it's clear that no matter what I say you're gonna excuse it. Throwing a baby into an oven in front of the father is some next level nazi shit. If you'll excuse that you'll excuse anything. I didn't excuse i
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by edanm 2y ago
> Oslo accords were almost entirely concessions from the Palestinian side. There were no meaningful concessions on the Israeli settlement policy. This is just not true. The Palestinians didn't have any recognized governing body be
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by edanm 2y ago
OK. Can we agree that withdrawing all settlements and the military means less occupation than before? I think the basic logic of "we're doing a move that gives them, at least directionaly, what they say they want, and they use i
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by edanm 2y ago
> My understanding is that every major attempt at getting to a two-state solution has been encumbered by pre-conditions set by Israel that have made the negotiations a non-starter. I'm sorry, not sure how else to say this - you&#x27
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by edanm 2y ago
> It's true that before the British Mandate of Palestine the population of Syria Palaestina was 3-11% Jewish (Mizrahi Jews) but most of the Jewish population of Israel is not indigenous to that region of the world (like how the Ashk
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by edanm 2y ago
Yes, you can make a list of terrible acts committed by almost any military, especially if you go back 76 years to before it was a state. It is very clear that some soldiers in the IDF, like in any army, have committed war crimes.
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by edanm 2y ago
Always been a thing, I think. When you bought it you could pay like $20 extra to not have them - you probably paid and never thought about it since, I imagine.
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by edanm 2y ago
> I don't approve of Hezbollah or Hamas; but if you strip away the violence and Islamic extremism and all of that then the uncomfortable reality is ... they're not wrong in their core objections. Israel has consistently maintai
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by edanm 2y ago
FYI I disagree that this necessarily means that in Gaza. Israel has spent 18 years fairly convinced that Hamas isn't a major threat and that Hezbollah is, so most resources were spent on preparing for war with Hezbollah. This is maybe
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by edanm 2y ago
Israel actually didn't do that - Netanyahu literally said "this is not another skirmish, this is a war" and gave explicit goals to the war (bringing back the hostages and dismantling Hamas). Later on an additional goal was ad
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by edanm 2y ago
> A two-state solution is a fever dream if the occupier is uninterested in it. We’ve seen that repeatedly for the past 75+ years in actions and literal words. First, the Palestinian territories have not been under occupation for 75 years
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by edanm 2y ago
> This position aligns with Arabs, who don't want a Jewish state in the Middle East. Hamas says it directly; others are not so direct, but one can infer their position through their actions. Let's just put things into perspecti
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by edanm 2y ago
I agree that it's hard to get a firm grasp on the "Palestinians" demand. It's hard to get a firm grasp on what "Americans" demand of their government, and as we see every election cycle, there are pretty confli
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by edanm 2y ago
> Now if you tell me that one is intentional and the other one isn't the I know you're not being honest, because there's plenty of evidence that the IDF is really casual about collateral damage. Casual about collateral dam
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by edanm 2y ago
That's a misleadingly small part of the story of why there's no peace today. Israeli went on to elect multiple other PMs to continue working towards a peace deal. Rabin was assassinated in 1995, but Barak met with Araft in 2000,
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by edanm 2y ago
(And the "border" with the West Bank and Gaza.)
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by edanm 2y ago
> Israel is a colonist apartheid. It is not a colonist by any standard definition. Apartheid - more complicated. Many people dispute this. I think it's plausible to make a case that there is an apartheid in the West Bank, though it&
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by edanm 2y ago
I think the phrase "struggling to understand why anyone cares" implies that you think no on should care. Maybe that's not what you meant. I have no dog in this fight. Just telling you why someone would assume you are expres
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by edanm 2y ago
> Concerns aside, it's a little hard of an argument to swallow having visited many other countries where these things are simply not an issue. Which countries? As far as I know, most Western countries have roughly similar issues wit
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by edanm 2y ago
Just in case anyone isn't aware of this history - the "Morris worm" being referred to here is named after Robert Morris who wrote it. He's also one of the co-founders of YC, which built HN.

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