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12y ago
> I think Linux has an edge in driver support, and corp vendors -- especially for gaming with things like Steam. Still, remember when using linux meant compiling the kernel ten times, editing some .c file, changing some obscure flag. An
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12y ago
What government are you talking about? Does "free" education implies the obligation to give all your life work output to the government? This seems very foreign, please name at least one country that implements those ideas.
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Even if only one person can't use the internet because of this tax, that's more than enough reason to avoid it.
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12y ago
There have been some schemes in Europe to tax Internet-related services, but they were mostly a result of lobbying and at least benefited some group, like unionized film makers or ISPs. But the difference is nobody welcomes this tax.
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> I don't think Hungary will return to pre-industrial times because of an Internet tax. It will not return but they'll be stuck there. This will have a chilling effect on the economy, and about all new jobs enabled by the inter
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12y ago
The Internet, while most of us don't care, has negative externalities as well: - killing hundreds of thousands of businesses such as bookstores, movie rental stores, record stores; - makes it possible through IP
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12y ago
Absolutely not, only if they depend on systemd. If they follow UNIX conventions, they don't need to edit a single file. Writing a daemon init script was a solved problem decades ago, and that script will serve for every init system.
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12y ago
Mr. Snowden's revelations prove that "a smell of conspiracy theory" is not a strong enough argument. Obviously Red Hat is interested in widespread systemd adoption, and that message might offer an explanation as to why debian
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12y ago
The problem is that systemd is taking a lot of work better spent in other parts of the project. Instead of testing systemd, it's better to user simpler components, systemd is evolving, introducing more bugs, and people like that packag
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12y ago
> GNOME doesn't rely on systemd, it wants an API The problem is the following: GNOME depending on GTK+? Just an API. Of course, it's not your fault, the problem is systemd developers don't want to separate the components a
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12y ago
I agree completely, those operating systems are great, as good or better than GNU/Linux. But with that phrase I was thinking people without prior experience, like Windows users, FreeBSD install is fairly involved for them, there's
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12y ago
> You think the systemd debate is bad? I think the debate is good and necessary, I don't like any software imposed without a debate. Yes, I know, I was referencing partly that. Again, my position may be shocking to you: 1) I like ch
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12y ago
I agree with everything you said, my point was that it's necessary to be prepared, in case systemd becomes a hard dependency for Debian, which is likely given that more software is depending on systemd, and the lead developer is trying
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12y ago
I didn't downvote you, but I want to audit it myself, thanks.
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> From the perspective of the average linux user ( one that knows little to nothing about linux internals ) the entire discussion is the real waste of energy. If all distros adopt "systemd/linux", a future plan for systemd
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12y ago
> The idea of a Unix where you get rid of bash/csh/whatever and just run a lua/python/ruby prompt and have your apps implemented largely in that same language systemd doesn't help with that AT ALL. Other init sys
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> 90% of Red Hat's revenue is from servers just a correction, red hat revenue is from support contracts. > If systemd is bad for servers, why did RHEL[1] and CoreOS adopt it? Are we to believe that these companies work against th
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Not really, I use a dozen init systems, each for a different situation, and I'm interested in keeping it that way. The problem is that systemd is that is being forcefully pushed to all distros. For instance, by merging udev with system
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12y ago
I happen to like modern daemontools-like init systems a lot, (runit, s6) but I use various init systems depending on what I want, and that's great IMO. The problem is that systemd is that is being forcefully pushed to all distros. For
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12y ago
Come on, this horse has been beaten to death already... I'll just say, a GNU/Linux distro has many components, but they're not monolithic because they integrate well, you can do ls|grep etc, you know this. But if we want to c
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Okay, I was saying, just because some people doesn't know, it doesn't have to be FUD, that'd be just an ad hominen attack. I've been a user of Arch back before systemd and I know your points are mostly right, but as you
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systemd-journald is only one component, there are more than 50, and if you only want one piece of that, tough luck!
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> Opponents of systemd have spread a LOT of FUD and misinformation about systemd Well, obviously there's another, more charitable interpretation. > I discovered that much of it was misleading or inaccurate after my main distro sw
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We'll see how this develops, but this ain't Gentoo, I wouldn't count on Debian to keep supporting sysv. Quote from Debian forums: it's very unlikely that SysVinit will continue to be supported, because writing init scri
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> It'll only grow, though. Most certainly. Only up to a point. Systemd is getting too bloated, and software engineering tells us that the effort to maintain this will grow exponentially. So we have two options: if systemd improves
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To say that this is not fair would be an understatement. systemd-journald is only one component, there are more than 50!
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Not really, remember daemontools? There are almost a hundred init systems very superior technically compared to sysv and systemd, the truth is that sysv has NEVER been considered the best.
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Here is the message: There has been no General Resolution amongst debian package maintainers. Red Hat has instituted a regulatory capture of the "bug squashing" committee within debian (the "Technical Committee") by hav
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I've been also using systemd since Arch switched over, I've discovered bugs and vulnerabilities. But the thing is, if you're happy with systemd and works well for you, great! I've seen this very prevalent attitude in s
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12y ago
Before throwing such accusations, at least search Google or HN itself. http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May...
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