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dunpeal
8y ago
Very true. It's amusing to see people talk about "west coast wages" comparing favorably to wages in NYC. The reason top tech generally kept out of NYC until recently is that they had trouble competing against investment bank
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8y ago
All I can say is: it doesn't match the accounts I am hearing from friends. For example, a couple of my friends interviewed with Amazon fairly recently, for senior engineering positions. In every case when the same person received an of
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8y ago
Kinda pointless to open a huge office for recruitment, where virtually all your top talent is trying to get to the US to benefit from far better employment terms and compensation.
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8y ago
But they won't be. Can you imagine Amazon hiring 25k employees for just one project like Alexa? Also, the whole point of the new offices is to aid recruitment. Limiting particular offices to just one skillset goes totally against that.
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8y ago
I'm not an expert on Amazon, but I do have friends working there, so I asked them. They told me it's very rare for a new hire to come in as SDE3. Even a very experienced senior engineer is unlikely to get an offer above SDE2 level
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8y ago
Haha, you don't have to convince me that NYC is a good choice for Amazon. I was just pointing out that a place like Dallas does have some benefits over NYC.
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8y ago
An SDE2 is a senior software engineer, typically one who's been with Amazon for a few years. It's unreasonable to assume most of the employees in the new office are going to be SDE2. Likely most of them will be new hires and SDE1.
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8y ago
Texas has taxes a lot lower than NYC. Dallas is far cheaper to live in, too. That's quite a difference. Even if Amazon gets tax breaks, its employees will not. Dallas vs NYC is lowest vs highest income taxes in the nation.
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8y ago
"Tech workers" != programmers. In fact, if there are only 110k tech workers, I doubt there are 92,350 actual programmers in NYC. They are counting all Product Managers, designers, beta testers, etc, as well as probably sales and a
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8y ago
> Amazon could literally locate in Mobile, Alabama and be able to recruit just fine. This is completely detached from reality. Amazon is fighting for top talent against other FAANGs and all other employers. If you can't also get an
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8y ago
> The average salary for these employees will be many x greater than the average NYC resident - you need to compare the relative size of the +25k employees to the ~200k subset of residents that make $200k+ in NY, not the entire 8M pop. N
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8y ago
Sure, but he has lived in Seattle for a long time, what makes you think he wants to move to NYC? The office in NYC is going to be nothing more than a big satellite office compared to the huge HQ in Seattle, so it's not like he's a
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8y ago
This Quora response uses US Bureau of Labor Statistics to show there are 92,350 programmers in the whole SF Bay area, compared to 62,530 programmers in the entire NYC municipal area. So about 50% more in the Bay. https://www.quor
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8y ago
> they have massive bargaining power Wouldn't call it "massive" in NYC. The office size is projected to employ 25,000 people in total. Nice number, but not "massive" for a city of 8,623,000 people.
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8y ago
Doubt it was a factor with Bezos. The guy is rich enough to live anywhere, and has houses everywhere, as you also observed. Somehow the office didn't land in Beverly Hills or the Texas ranch. I expect the fact that he already has homes
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8y ago
10:1 seems a bit too much, but yeah, I'm not sure where GP got the idea that NYC has more engineers than SFBay. NYC was not historically focused on engineering or tech. Media, advertising, and of course - finance, banking, and investme
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8y ago
It would be super sketchy if it records any audio, since there's no real reason or need to do that for the features it provides. Also, if we're going conspiracy mode: we're all surrounded by devices with very good microphones
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8y ago
I am relying on multiple accounts I've read online: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimhandy/2012/08/16/think-yelp-... https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/yelp-accused-of-bu
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8y ago
> There. is. no. evidence. of. this. 5 seconds of googling: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimhandy/2012/08/16/think-yelp-... https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/yelp-accused
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8y ago
> Reply with something better. Nah, I'd rather engage with someone less rude and toxic. Good luck to you.
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8y ago
You are pointing out some real problems, but your attempt to pin them all on capitalism ("the almighty dollar") is incoherent and fallacious. It's not "capitalism" turning young people to Tinder, which is dirt cheap
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8y ago
The typical criticism of Yelp was that you could get negative reviews of your business removed if you paid them. I'm not sure how as a coder you'd be able to guarantee that's never been done, except if your code guaranteed th
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8y ago
I meant "most people on this thread ", which is the context GP was invoking: > I can't relate to the negativity I see here. And yes, Yelp calculated that they could get away with their shady money-grabbing since they ha
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8y ago
Yelp was involved in more than a few shady dealings over the years, and most people remember that. They manipulate their own rating for money, and for that reason many consider these ratings - their core product - to be unreliable and misle
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8y ago
Yeah, not sure how Google can recruit folks in this category unless they allow full-time remotes.
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8y ago
No doubt many new hires are OK relocating to Menlo Park. Evidently, many are not. Facebook would not invest in an expensive offices in NYC, for instance, if everyone was just happy to relocate to its huge campus in Menlo Park. My comment re
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8y ago
Perhaps in past years. This year, with the lower growth and decline in job numbers, it's been doing worse.
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8y ago
Yup, we should term this "the .ai bubble".
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8y ago
> NYC's economy isn't doing too well? It grew by 2.7% for the second consecutive quarter in 2018. The economy has been growing at 3.5-4% during this time nationally, so a 2.7% is actually training the national growth by a sig
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8y ago
> You think Amazon is looking to increase their SWE head count by 50% or more in a short period of time? Every article about the HQ2 project says it's an effort to recruit tech talent. Amazon is hiring 50K new employees for these
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