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It's an independent commission of inquiry making a report to the HRC. The commission could have reported that the moon is made of cheese, and the HRC wouldn't be able to do much about it, other than politely suggesting that th
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> The UN has described their actions as genocide. It wasn't a UNSCR resolution or anything, but three individual UN employees whose credibility is debatable. UN employees is a broad category that includes terrorists such as Faisal A
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One of the journalists that Wikipedia simply lists as "Killed by Israeli forces", Abdullah Ahmed Al-Jamal, happened to be keeping hostages in his apartment and was killed during their rescue.
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> The fact that you think Zionist colonization of Palestine was analogous to black families moving into white neighborhoods is just crazy. I don't think anyone who has ever read about this history could sincerely think that those tw
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The theory that Israel could make up for its massive numerical disadvantages with some better training, tactics and morale, with some caveats ("If this assumption should prove wrong, Israel might well be in trouble ..."), doesn&#x
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> The Americans and the Israelis both knew that Israel would rapidly win any war with Egypt. I don't think that's accurate, but I'm not sure what it has to do with the discussion anyway. The point was just that the instiga
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Which of them would you claim is neutral? Amnesty International, who opened their report with "On 7 October 2023, Israel embarked on a military offensive", as if nothing else happened on 7 October? And then decided that the usual
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> This is basically very similar to what happened in North America with European colonists and Native Americans This is a complicated analogy. There was no sovereign, so noone to decide on an immigration policy and no arbiter of legality
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> Arab population growth in Palestine was almost entirely due to simple births minus deaths Do you have a source for this? I don't think that matches the British census data, unless we postulate that the birth rate somehow skyrocket
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> Are there not "Jewish only" roads and areas in the occupied West Bank Not really, there are security measures connected to citizenship and vehicle registration, not "Jewish only" roads. Jews are not allowed in Area
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> To the point of the UN investigators concluding it is genocide This is a really unconvincing appeal to authority when we consider the three particular individuals behind the report, as well as broad anti-Israel bias in the UN.
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Your position boils down to an unverifiable claim about Nasser's mental state. Egypt had a plan (Operation Dawn) to invade Israel. Nasser had not approved it yet , but that doesn't mean he wasn't going to. Even if Nasser pla
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> Relatively few. Not enough to have much of an impact on the overall Arab population of Palestine. The numbers are largely unknown for border crossings. But the point is that it's a gross oversimplification to say that Palestinians
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> 1. Egypt had no intention of attacking Israel (as we now know for certain). Where are you getting this idea from? A leader with no intention of attacking Israel would not have made statements like "We will not accept any possibili
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Yes, there was a certain period when Jews were a small minority; so what? If we're using "Palestinian" to mean someone from Palestine, why wouldn't we count a family from the First Aliyah as Palestinian? The Second Aliya
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In the six-day war, Syria attacked Israel before the opposite, so it's pretty misleading to say "in a war that Israel initiated". Sure, Israel struck Egypt first, but Syria is not Egypt. And calling it a preemptive strike sho
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The ICC charges do not include genocide, so that doesn't support your claim. Khan sought a somewhat related extermination charge, which was rejected by the pre-trial chamber.
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> The Palestinians have already given up 78% of Palestine. You seem to be conflating the region of Palestine, which has always included a mix of religions including Jews, with the modern Palestinian national identity.
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Air defense alone isn't really a sustainable military strategy against endless rocket attacks. It would become even less viable if Israel lost US military aid, lifted the blockade, and/or stopped bombing things like rocket factori
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> European Zionists invaded Invaded what state? Mandatory Palestine? It sounds like you're just referring to (mostly legal) Jewish immigration. Would you apply the same label to Arab immigrants such as Arafat, or is it only an invas
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What would you demand Israel do to be released from these hypothetical sanctions? Military intervention meaning invade a nuclear power?
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I think this was an even clearer example of the UN's anti-Israel bias: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/debunked-un-off... Very blatant disinformation from a top UN official (leader of OCHA), no retrac
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Why would we expect any desirable outcome in this hypothetical though? So the US flips, Israel is pressured into withdrawing, Hamas regains control of the strip and resumes rocket attacks, Israel is forced to respond eventually. It doesn&#x
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> Arab countries did not ethnically cleanse Jews. That’s a complete fabrication. This is just plainly wrong. Even if we ignore the various pogroms, asset seizures and other persecution (where one could perhaps argue that Jews weren'
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What would be the point of discussing what number might be acceptable, when we don't know the number for this conflict?
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The total isn't really meaningful without knowing what fraction are combatants.
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Ukraine goes out of its way to evacuate civilians, who can flee to safer parts of their vast country, or to other countries which have collectively accepted something like 7 million Ukrainian refugees. Gazans have none of that - they’re tra
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A few thoughts, - We don't really know the civilian casualty ratio for Gaza, but in seems somewhere in the normal range for urban wars (e.g. based on some losses Hamas admitted early in the conflict). The Iran strikes also harmed civil
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The Wikipedia article you quoted is misconstruing things. For example the actual ICJ finding was > the Court is of the view that Israel’s withdrawal from the Gaza Strip has not entirely released it of its obligations under the law of oc
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Fox News was deemed "generally unreliable" for politics and science, which in practice means that it's unusable in most cases, not so different from deprecated. I also find it interesting that Al-Manar (essentially Hezbollah&
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