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Wow, wasn't aware. To our understanding, EU also has relatively homogenous building codes. It's the place we've thought we'd probably expand if we ever go international in the distant future.
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Oregon and Georgia, those states make me sad. Don't try to copyright your laws please.
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Well, a lot of the inter-state differences, I've never understood. For example, Massachusetts changed the stair riser height from 7-3/4" to 8-1/4" ( https://up.codes/viewer/massachusetts/irc
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Exactly. The cost is still passed on to the citizens, probably even more so. In addition, every year in the US, $4B is wasted in construction rework which is really dumb. One of the things we're trying to do at UpCodes is to create
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Building codes do definitely play a role. A lot of them are written in reaction to some tragedy (fire, earthquake, structural failure, etc). Here's an interesting assertion: "the biggest potential saving of lives in rural areas
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Hey, UpCodes cofounder again, yes, they do ask volunteers to sign a copyright form. You can see it in this ICC tutorial (at 24s): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hebfUQ-G24 Very interesting about that document. Yeah, non
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Yes, I left the first comment in this discussion saying I'm the cofounder, AMA, and 3 more times, but you're right, they all got a bit buried, I'll edit my first comment that appears to clarify.
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Exactly, and does each state and county really need its own of each code or have to add its own amendments? There are some particular scenarios though where they do: NYC has an extra code related to flooding, California has an earthquake c
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I submitted the article and then left the first comment telling everyone I'm the cofounder and happy to answer questions. No tricks here. > it's really sleazy to concern-troll Not sure why you're so angry at me. I think
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Do you mind me asking what you are disuputing? I'm guessing the comment you're responding directly to? In that comment, I said: > The majority of ICC’s revenue comes from program services, including consulting, certification,
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Thank you, glad to get such a supportive response from folks. After keeping quiet about it for a year and a half, it's good to finally get this lawsuit some attention.
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Yes, we assumed that too until we got sued! We thought we were all good after reading about Veeck case (in which ICC, whose codes we thought we could very safely put up, lost in the 5th circuit). I believe the ICC and state governments do
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IANAL, but I think in the Public.Resource.Org / EFF case, they were claiming you could restate the law: """ Judge Tatel: you have to stay in the hospital for the three days. Can they not use three days? Mr. Verrilli: N
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Right, we did not. In addition, we've heard from a ton of people asking how we were able to do this. They each have a story about trying to do something in this space and trying to work with ICC (or one of the other ones) and getting
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Somehow it's not surprising to hear the NFPA Java reader is often broken. There's a perverse incentive: the more broken it is, the more money they make selling the law in book form. And then when they get to court, they can just
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The majority of ICC’s revenue comes from program services, including consulting, certification, and training, which do not rely on profiting by limiting access to the law. In addition, the laws are written by volunteers. ICC convenes commi
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UpCodes cofounder here. I'd be interested to hear your solution. Also, can you link to the Canadian case? I'm curious. In terms of the ASCE settlement, it included us, so the settlement was between ASCE, UpCodes, Inc., and both
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One correction: ICC organizes the committee of volunteers who write the laws. That's how they have such massive profit margins and can afford to pay their CEO $742,000, when the median non-profit CEO gets $104,000 (see our references h
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UpCodes cofounder here. Fair point, and we definitely don't want to steal any credit from people like Carl Malamud and so many others who have devoted over a decade to this. We're pretty new on the scene and unlike Carl who'
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Hey thanks for the support! The best thing you can do is just raise awareness. Either sharing this article or our advocacy page ( https://up.codes/free-law ) to raise awareness helps. It's hard to get most people to ca
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Most of the organizations are extremely flush with cash and most of it is not from selling the law. That includes the organization in this article, ICC. The majority of ICC’s revenue comes from program services, including consulting, certi
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Right, following the fire laws when doing any work at home is not just a good idea, but required for safety of you and others in your vicinity. You can be charged criminally for not following these laws that are behind paywalls. In the ASTM
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UpCodes cofounder here, glad to see people care about this! Happy to answer any questions.
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Can the Law Be Copyrighted?
(techcrunch.com)
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UpCodes | San Francisco, CA and distributed | Software Engineers | Full-time | http://upcodes.ai Construction productivity has decreased over the last 50 years. According to The Economist, one of the largest contributing factors
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I totally agree. I think people have a lot of status quo bias though so will argue that 2 corporations controlling all apps on mobile devices is actually a good thing. If that had never come to be and it was decentralized instead, no one w
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I think most people understand commodity as things like: iron ore, sugar, rice, chemicals, raw materials. For example, take a Toyota Prius. Most people would not think of that as a commodity. It also is not a monopoly. If Toyota Prius wh
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I think the tech world's use of the word "commodity" is interesting. "becoming a commodity" really means "fail to establish a monopoly".
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The biggest thing that's better about VSCode for me is being FOSS.
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UpCodes is hiring an experienced PM for the spellchecker of construction
(up.codes)
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