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The majority of ICC’s revenue comes from program services, including consulting, certification, and training, which do not rely on profiting by limiting access

The majority of ICC’s revenue comes from program services, including consulting, certification, and training, which do not rely on profiting by limiting access to the law. In addition, the laws are written by volunteers. ICC convenes committees of volunteers who author the law. That's how the run such huge profit margins. EDIT: Disclaimer - As stated in a couple other spots on this page, I am a cofounder of UpCodes.

iratewizard 8y ago
The committees don't write the code, they consult on what codes they want to see. Those people should be volunteers, otherwise it would introduce conflicting interests. The data they gather is then codified paid employees. They have no profit margin as they are a non-profit and they have highly paid executives because they are enormous in scale. Stop talking out of your ass.
iratewizard 8y ago
I just saw that your the co-founder of upcodes and spreading blatant lies about your competitor. Pretty sleezy.
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- sect46 8y ago
  He posted the article too. I agree that it's really sleazy to concern-troll when you're really just swaying public opinion towards your company.
  - Old_Thrashbarg 8y ago
    I submitted the article and then left the first comment telling everyone I'm the cofounder and happy to answer questions. No tricks here. > it's really sleazy to concern-troll Not sure why you're so angry at me. I think it's quite fair for me to go public with this lawsuit. Do I hope that public opinion sides with what we're doing. Yes, of course. Is that bad? I happen to also really believe in what we're doing and the fight we took on. I was a fan of Carl Malamud before we started this company. And that's doubly true when you consider how aggressive ICC has been in this lawsuit. I mean, suing us personally, trying to bankrupt us? Deposing and subpoena'ing personal friends of ours?
    - elliekelly 8y ago
      I'm curious whether ICC's volunteers sign anything transferring copyright of the code sections they draft to ICCC. Also, have you tried asking ICC why they're violating their own Antitrust Compliance Policy[1]? > Care should be taken to ensure that ICC Activities, including without limitation the ICC code and standards development process, is not used to stabilize prices or to exclude competitors or competition for reasons other than public health, safety or welfare. [1] https://cdn-web.iccsafe.org/wp-content/uploads/PPG-12-AntiTrust-Compliance-Guidelines.pdf https://cdn-web.iccsafe.org/wp-content/uploads/PPG-12-AntiTr...
      - Old_Thrashbarg 8y ago
        Hey, UpCodes cofounder again, yes, they do ask volunteers to sign a copyright form. You can see it in this ICC tutorial (at 24s): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hebfUQ-G24 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hebfUQ-G24 Very interesting about that document. Yeah, none of what ICC is doing fits at all with their stated mission or anything. I'm bookmarking that to read more carefully. Won't help with the lawsuit, but might make for a good tweet.
  - michaelmrose 8y ago
    Who do you work for new account?
- Old_Thrashbarg 8y ago
  Do you mind me asking what you are disuputing? I'm guessing the comment you're responding directly to? In that comment, I said: > The majority of ICC’s revenue comes from program services, including consulting, certification, and training Please see p. 52 of ICC's 2015 Annual Report (http://media.iccsafe.org/AnnualReports/2015/2015AnnualReport.pdf http://media.iccsafe.org/AnnualReports/2015/2015AnnualReport...), the last one (that I know of) where they broke down their revenues. Or was it the part about volunteers writing the laws? Also happy to respond to any other specific fact you are unsure about.
  - shkkmo 8y ago
    I think a disclaimer that you are directly affiliated with UpCodes is generally considered good form on HN and would be appreciated. Edit: I see you do provide such a disclaimer in many of your other/earlier comments.Those have all fallen below this one
    - Old_Thrashbarg 8y ago
      Yes, I left the first comment in this discussion saying I'm the cofounder, AMA, and 3 more times, but you're right, they all got a bit buried, I'll edit my first comment that appears to clarify.

iratewizard 8y ago

The committees don't write the code, they consult on what codes they want to see. Those people should be volunteers, otherwise it would introduce conflicting interests. The data they gather is then codified paid employees. They have no profit margin as they are a non-profit and they have highly paid executives because they are enormous in scale. Stop talking out of your ass.

iratewizard 8y ago

I just saw that your the co-founder of upcodes and spreading blatant lies about your competitor. Pretty sleezy.

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sect46 8y ago
He posted the article too. I agree that it's really sleazy to concern-troll when you're really just swaying public opinion towards your company.
- Old_Thrashbarg 8y ago
  I submitted the article and then left the first comment telling everyone I'm the cofounder and happy to answer questions. No tricks here. > it's really sleazy to concern-troll Not sure why you're so angry at me. I think it's quite fair for me to go public with this lawsuit. Do I hope that public opinion sides with what we're doing. Yes, of course. Is that bad? I happen to also really believe in what we're doing and the fight we took on. I was a fan of Carl Malamud before we started this company. And that's doubly true when you consider how aggressive ICC has been in this lawsuit. I mean, suing us personally, trying to bankrupt us? Deposing and subpoena'ing personal friends of ours?
  - elliekelly 8y ago
    I'm curious whether ICC's volunteers sign anything transferring copyright of the code sections they draft to ICCC. Also, have you tried asking ICC why they're violating their own Antitrust Compliance Policy[1]? > Care should be taken to ensure that ICC Activities, including without limitation the ICC code and standards development process, is not used to stabilize prices or to exclude competitors or competition for reasons other than public health, safety or welfare. [1] https://cdn-web.iccsafe.org/wp-content/uploads/PPG-12-AntiTrust-Compliance-Guidelines.pdf https://cdn-web.iccsafe.org/wp-content/uploads/PPG-12-AntiTr...
    - Old_Thrashbarg 8y ago
      Hey, UpCodes cofounder again, yes, they do ask volunteers to sign a copyright form. You can see it in this ICC tutorial (at 24s): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hebfUQ-G24 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hebfUQ-G24 Very interesting about that document. Yeah, none of what ICC is doing fits at all with their stated mission or anything. I'm bookmarking that to read more carefully. Won't help with the lawsuit, but might make for a good tweet.
- michaelmrose 8y ago
  Who do you work for new account?
Old_Thrashbarg 8y ago
Do you mind me asking what you are disuputing? I'm guessing the comment you're responding directly to? In that comment, I said: > The majority of ICC’s revenue comes from program services, including consulting, certification, and training Please see p. 52 of ICC's 2015 Annual Report (http://media.iccsafe.org/AnnualReports/2015/2015AnnualReport.pdf http://media.iccsafe.org/AnnualReports/2015/2015AnnualReport...), the last one (that I know of) where they broke down their revenues. Or was it the part about volunteers writing the laws? Also happy to respond to any other specific fact you are unsure about.
- shkkmo 8y ago
  I think a disclaimer that you are directly affiliated with UpCodes is generally considered good form on HN and would be appreciated. Edit: I see you do provide such a disclaimer in many of your other/earlier comments.Those have all fallen below this one
  - Old_Thrashbarg 8y ago
    Yes, I left the first comment in this discussion saying I'm the cofounder, AMA, and 3 more times, but you're right, they all got a bit buried, I'll edit my first comment that appears to clarify.