IanCal

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by IanCal 1y ago
Again I think we're talking about different things. > We just haven't had the benefit or forcing function which encourages a solution to "that stuff over there is less trusted than my stuff over here". No the problem
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by IanCal 1y ago
Exactly. The best reading is that they wasted their own time on it. The worst case is that a simple clearly valuable thing is something the company is incapable of doing. Both are dysfunctional.
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by IanCal 1y ago
This may be a timeframe issue but I sincerely doubt anyone wants to hire someone to be an intermediary. They just want the thing done. I know that right now few want to sit in front of claude code, but it's just not that big of a lea
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by IanCal 1y ago
I disagree. Unless you’re focussed on right now, in which case case… maybe? Depends on scale. I have a few scattered thoughts here but I think you’re caught up on how things are done now. A human expert in a field is the customer. Do you th
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by IanCal 1y ago
In their defence, I can see "no direct reports" perhaps referring more to the line managerial side than code responsibility. However a few things stood out in this to me. > So pushing new ideas is quite important because they r
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by IanCal 1y ago
I think we disagree on the problem. The thing you want to avoid is this: a.scamsite.com gets blocked so they just put their phishing pages on b.scamsite.com The psl or your solution isn’t a “don’t trust subdomains” notification it’s “if one
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by IanCal 1y ago
> any platform that needs this functionality but would prefer not to leak any details publicly. I’m not sure how you’d have this - it’s for the public facing side of user hosted content, surely that must be public? > We already have t
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by IanCal 1y ago
For what it’s worth I was raised like kid 2 and have a bunch of annoying allergies. It’s far too messy to look at individual cases.
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by IanCal 1y ago
That makes a huge amount of assumptions but also wouldn’t fit their experience. If it was this then it would add a few percent of the population being “more fragile” and I’d wager they see it as a broader trend.
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by IanCal 1y ago
Well that's rather the point - arguing about exceptionally heavily used terminology isn't useful because there's already a largely shared understanding. Stepping away from that is a huge effort, unlikely to work and at best a
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by IanCal 1y ago
I have been engaging in good faith but to be honest am a little frustrated at having to continually point out what the actual chinese room thought experiment is. I think you have continually made a very important error with it. > What go
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by IanCal 1y ago
You seem confused as to what I’ve said. I know these things cannot exist in reality. The Chinese room is setup so that you cannot tell the difference from the outside. That’s the point of it. > If you can’t distinguish between two things
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by IanCal 1y ago
> It’s fairly evident that they are not functionally identical Then you could tell the difference and the thought experiment is broken. The whole point is that outside observers can’t tell. Not that they’re too stupid, that there isn’t a
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by IanCal 1y ago
And again you assign a property or not to things that perform indistinguishably. Your definition is useless. It may as well be based on the tin of beans. > In reality the material difference between a computing machine and a brain is tri
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by IanCal 1y ago
I’ve seen things acknowledge cricket, people who bring them tea and I’ve seen people coauthor with a dead friend who appeared in a dream. Saying “I swear I wrote this myself” barely registers.
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by IanCal 1y ago
That’s a good point, transferring of assets isn’t counted - although if it’s imports perhaps that’s different. The cost of scamming may be counted, paying people to perform scams certainly could be depending on the type of calculation you d
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by IanCal 1y ago
Of course it’s the point, the systems are not distinguishable by behaviour only what’s inside them. There are not tests to determine what’s inside, otherwise the whole thing is pointless. This was why I have the tin of beans comparison. The
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by IanCal 1y ago
That’s not necessarily true, though may be for Cambodia. GDP can include black market activities but countries differ in whether they include specific ones and how.
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by IanCal 1y ago
> He’s not arguing that it’s not possible to devise such a test. The entire point of the thought experiment is that to outside observers it appears the same as if a fluent speaker is in the room. There aren’t questions you can ask to tel
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by IanCal 1y ago
The Chinese room has the outputs being the same, that’s really key in this. > consciousness and understanding After decades of this I’ve settled on the view that these words are near useless for anything specific, only vague pointers to
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by IanCal 1y ago
It's not mostly mimicking, it's exactly identical. That was always the key point. Indistinguishable from the outside, one thing understands and the other doesn't. I feel like I could make the same arguments about the chinese
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by IanCal 1y ago
I'd be fine if Searle just very simply said "we have a non-material soul and that's why we understand. Anything doing the exact same job but without a soul isn't understanding because understanding is limited entirely to
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by IanCal 1y ago
Same. I feel the Chinese room argument is a nice thing to clarify thinking. Two systems, one feels intuitively like it understands, one doesn’t. But the two systems are functionally identical. Therefore either my concept of “understanding”
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by IanCal 1y ago
If it doesn’t cram text at a tiny point size and introduce a slide with “you can’t see this but” then it’s likely better than the majority of scientific presentations I’ve seen.
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by IanCal 1y ago
I’ve ripped a bunch of cds which I think is not technically legal here but I have no moral issue, an we’d bought some. Other than that with setups like music assistant you can stream from these services, it’s just a different trigger. I kno
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by IanCal 1y ago
I built a scanner with a nfc reader and esphome, and I made some 3d printed things to stick the tags on - the kids love them. I originally partly did this as not all songs play well when asked for on a smart speaker. I know all these are sa
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by IanCal 1y ago
I was confused by this because I assumed the robot fell over a few times - these are times that one of the piled up packages falls off or is a bit knocked off behind the robot (the second one seems to be knocked off by the elbow?).
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by IanCal 1y ago
That would be writing for most users but barely . I think there’s a fair reason they said “vast majority” instead.
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by IanCal 1y ago
You shouldn’t - that’s the point of the comparison. If some insane dentists started saying this you should not stop brushing your teeth !
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by IanCal 1y ago
Manual data entry has lots of errors. All good workflows around this base themselves on this fact.

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