Diagon

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by Diagon 7y ago
Call For Action https://modsandmembersblog.wordpress.com/taking-action/ Don't miss the sidebar with these links: https://modsandmembersblog.wordpress.com/media-contacts/ https://
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by Diagon 7y ago
Press Release: [Will be sent out to media. Thanks to those who are commenting here for useful bits of information that has been included.] Verizon Media/Yahoo closing down Yahoo Groups, with imminent loss of important history. Yahoo,
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by Diagon 7y ago
It's been eating at you, I can tell. Well, all I can say is, don't add that to the list of groups that this team is trying to archive ( https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Z-lODnyXsE2kiu8uL01L--10nDq... ) and
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by Diagon 7y ago
Most people running these groups are not technical. Even if they got the word in time, the only option many of them could find was PGOnline, a Win pay software, which by this point Yahoo has blocked. Furthermore, even if they got it, what
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by Diagon 7y ago
Hypothetically, yes; but right now all this stuff is available on the clearnet and searchable. So obviously any potential harm of the present situation, is decreased. And, unless your argument is that we should delete all fora on the web
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by Diagon 7y ago
BoingBoing has picked this up: https://boingboing.net/2019/12/08/oath-makes-you-swear-2.htm...
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by Diagon 7y ago
I also noted that for yahoo changing IP, even changing continents, allowed me to use the same cookies as long as I kept my original browser window open.
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by Diagon 7y ago
If they are public, yes, it should be ok. Regarding groups that are old or inactive, A couple that I'm concerned with had important early discussions, that people on other derivative groups refer to regularly.
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by Diagon 7y ago
A lot of people are going to groups.io, but I certainly wouldn't want to suggest anyone move to another centralized system. The best thing to do is probably just to get a VPS and install phpBB or something. For group owners, importin
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by Diagon 7y ago
A lot of people apparently didn't get notified. The platform regularly lost emails. (Fifteen years of being on it, such problems were not irregular.) Also, they did offer an export tool, but the results were/are incomplete. I&#
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by Diagon 7y ago
Some of these groups are decades old. For them, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who was there for the whole history of the group and kept them all. Also, yahoo was often a headache, dropping emails to individuals - you'd h
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by Diagon 7y ago
I totally agree. Google? FB? Twitter? How about the Friendiverse? :)
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by Diagon 7y ago
Other collective projects to try to archive Yahoo groups: Queer Digital History Project: https://queerdigital.com/ygpresproject Project to Archive Trans Yahoo Groups: https://archivetransyahoo.noblogs.org/li
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by Diagon 7y ago
Dignium - is that an online conference? Do you need to own a share to get access? I'm having trouble making it out.
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by Diagon 7y ago
If you read here you will see that there are many active groups. Even of those that aren't active, some have important history, even scientific value. As for old posts disappearing, individuals have always been able to go to Yahoo Gro
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by Diagon 7y ago
Correct. They had done some testing, but that's all. They were just getting yahoo id's, while iterating on software improvements, so they could then download the groups.
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by Diagon 7y ago
That is one hell of an analogy. I'm going to try to use it. (There is one guy I came across trying trying to monetize what he could download of some archives. He used the Windows software PGDownload to do it. It's a lot of alt-
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by Diagon 7y ago
Yes, this was incredibly sudden, and with not support for getting out. They gave 13 days notice of intention to shut down new additions to message archives (extended to 20 days after some commotion). That was October 21, I believe. They
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by Diagon 7y ago
Yes, it wasn't me who started the groups in mind, and these were quite early, starting in the late 90's. While many members were researchers, on the whole they were not in computer fields- chemistry, biology, medicine... On top
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by Diagon 7y ago
Well, I will say that if these are backed up, they will be less accessible than they would with Yahoo. Someone will have to download a large archive (gigabytes, depending on teh group) and then search through it for themselves.
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by Diagon 7y ago
Actually, it's not. We were given 13 days for the shutoff of archives, with another 7 when there was an outcry. Most owners of groups are non-technical and have no idea how to get their data; this is why the archive team put up a req
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by Diagon 7y ago
See immediately above in the thread. Instructions were perhaps not clear.
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by Diagon 7y ago
From IRC (betamaxthetape): It's a set of groups that have been specifically requested by the fandom community. Of course, the groups handed out depend on what's been joined, so if / once all the fandom groups are joined, we&#
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by Diagon 7y ago
That's right, but (our main concern) is that the archives are being deleted. With no further history being recorded, it's utility for some purposes is limited. I have also come across some complaints that even as a list-serve it
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by Diagon 7y ago
I agree on the first point. The second is perhaps understandable if you read the whole exchange. You know they initially gave us 13 days before they cut off storing any more of the group emails (that is, new emails)? With an outcry, they
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by Diagon 7y ago
Ha, ha! Well, there's some high quality material there too, but I take your point. In the right context, like "history from below," all kinds of material can be high quality!
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by Diagon 7y ago
I checked on IRC. One person says they've been using it for hours on chromium without a problem. "I've been using Edge (Chromium) for past few hours, no issues. Could be unrelated, could be related. May help to use a standa
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by Diagon 7y ago
I see, yes. They have been negligent in many ways. Can you contact the owner of the group or a moderator and make the request? (We even have groups whose owners have been locked out. Who do you contact at yahoo?)
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by Diagon 7y ago
We have groups that the owners can't even access any more. They demand a yahoo email even when there's a non-Yahoo email associated with it. Y-Groups has been badly broken for some time.
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by Diagon 7y ago
That could really help. Thank you!

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