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AstroBen
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People think they should magically find out about new products without considering the macro effects of a world without advertising Ads make the world a better place They allow for innovation, giving new businesses a way to break in and rea
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8mo ago
I'm curious why you hate ads? Outside of the most obnoxious recipe sites plastered with them I don't find they effect me much The business landscape would look much different without advertising. New products would struggle to get
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8mo ago
To put a positive spin on this: we're moving quickly towards a world where AI companies control people's attention on information. This really hurts the ability for new businesses to get their name out there. Ads are really useful
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8mo ago
ironically they're also ads which apparently people hate?
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8mo ago
Discord hasn't been video game only for a long time
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8mo ago
> The compute will be used to create my own business to make money tell me you've never seriously attempted starting a software business without telling me It's like all these people for the last 2 decades "if only I knew
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8mo ago
Sometimes, yeah. I don't think we're disagreeing What I'd also add: Because of the unspecified behaviour, you're always going to need someone technical that understands the output to verify it. Tests aren't enough I
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Exponential growth towards what? What's your 2 year prediction?
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Codex on high, yeah it had access to compiling/running
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Are you saying you've never had them fail at a task? I wanted to refactor a bunch of tests in a TypeScript project the other day into a format similar to table driven tests that are common in Golang, but seemingly not so much in TypeSc
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8mo ago
You're asking me to do the thing I just said was frustrating haha. I have no idea. It's a new technology and we have nothing to draw from to make predictions. But for the sake of fun.. New code generation / modification I thi
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You're right. It's been pretty incredible. It's also frustrating as hell though when people extrapolate from this progress Just because we're here doesn't mean we're getting to AGI or software developers beggin
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8mo ago
You're heavily implying that because it can do this task, it can do any task at this difficulty or lower. Wrong. This thing isn't a human at the level of writing a compiler, and shouldn't be compared to one Codex frustratingl
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We're at the apex of the hype cycle. I think it'll die down in a year and we'll get a better picture of how people have integrated the tools Even if it's not straight astroturfing I think people are wowed and excited and
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8mo ago
I think you're way over estimating the cost of a phone and Netflix. Even the latest iPhone pro max is going to cost you an amortized ~$20 a month or less. That's completely dwarfed by my housing, food, utility and other unavoidabl
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8mo ago
Maybe we're talking about different things? That's one of the biggest benefits of software quality and the long-term investment: how easy is your thing to change?
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8mo ago
No-one serious is claiming 6x productivity improvements for close to equal quality This is proving GP's point that you're going off feels and/or exaggerating
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8mo ago
Unsuccessful projects: way less than 10 years Successful projects: quite often much longer than 10 years Code quality doesn't matter until lots of people start using what you wrote and you need to maintain/extend/change it Go
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8mo ago
True. That capability might be reserved for AGI. The current implementation does feel like a party trick and I don't enjoy working with it
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I made a very similar comment to this just today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46925036 I agree, and I didn't even fully consider "recompiling" would change important implementation details. Oh god Th
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8mo ago
This seems like an incredibly bad deal, but maybe they're probing to see if people will pay more You know if people pay for this en masse it'll be the new default pricing, with fast being another step above
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Humans not caring about performance is so common we have Wirth's law But now the clankers are coming for our jobs suddenly we're optimization specialists
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I swear all of these are coming from the prompt "hey chatgpt rewrite this article that got a lot of views" I've seen non-technical people vibe code with agents. They're capable of producing janky, very basic CRUD apps. C
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8mo ago
> programming is about translating unclear requirements in a verbose (English) language into a terse (programming) language Why are we uniquely capable of doing that, but an LLM isn't? In plan mode I've been seeing them ask for
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It doesn't matter Let's say super popular blogger x is paid a million dollars to shill for AI and they convince you it's revolutionary. What then? Well of course you try it! You pay OpenAI $20 for a month What happens after
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The problem with these "shill for an AI company" thoughts is that it really doesn't matter how good their shilling or salesmanship is. They actually do need to provide value for it to be successful These aren't tools the
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There are many tens (hundreds?) of billions of dollars being poured into the smartest minds in the world to push this thing forward I'm not so confident that it'll only be code monkeys for too long
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How much do you think Linus Torvalds has coded over the last decade? Why is he still able to do his job?
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It's feeling much closer to hiring a woodworker to make you something, not woodworking tools
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I'm very confident in saying the majority of developers didn't get into it saying "we'll automate your job away"
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