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I guess it's intentional. Ukranian propaganda and fakes are fine because they foster the desired narrative. No one cares about your desire to be informed and to make your own conclusions.
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In ilovaisk it was ukranian troops who were marching armed through the exit corridor. It's clear that this could escalate quickly. The exit corridors now are for civilians and there is at least the red cross who is monitoring. I find i
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I don't know what nazi propaganda was. The narrative of the russian officials is like the ukranian army places its heavy units in residential areas which makes them difficult to attack without causing collateral damage. Cluster likely,
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Thank you, I was not aware of that incident. I hope this war stops as soon as possible. The Russian people I know (including myself) don't support the war and are trying to help with the humanitarian aid, refugees etc (I'm outside
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How does this even work? In that particular case has it crossed the journalists' mind to check what the Russian position is? Did he understand implicitly that would be frowned upon by the boss/editor? Gotta read that manufacturing
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Not at all. The agreement to create temporary ceasefires to evacuate civilians were the only real outcome of the last talks. It was largely reported in Russian media. Today during the morning briefing the Russian officials said that the zon
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This means shooting any russian aircraft above ukranian soil I believe.
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The Western media plainly won't report what the Russian side says. https://tass.com/society/1417395
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How do we know that it were the Russians who didn't respect the ceasefire? EDIT: this point is being repeated over and over but I have not seen anything that would corroborate the ukranian side of the story (neither the russian to be f
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The ukranian army benefits from the human shield. The russian don't since they can't attack without causing civilian deaths (and the associated backlash). But I guess you believe the Russians are eating civilians alive if they can
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> Russia declared a cease-fire to evacuate civilians but has already broken it. Any support this is actually the case besides "the ukranian officials said ... "? https://tass.com/society/1417395
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> Russia has already broken the cease-fire meant to evacuate civilians. Russians are claiming the contrary. https://tass.com/society/1417395
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One possibility is that Yanukovich is more humane than putin or lukashenko. I don't know enough about him to compare but the last two are merciless dictators.
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Haven't read the article but it's true that people are leaving. Some IT companies are relocating their employees in a company-wide efforts. Obviously not an option for everyone. The sanctions will be hardest for people will low in
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https://yandex.ru/turbo/tass.ru/s/armiya-i-opk/13976985?lite... https://tass.com/society/1417395 I dont see how this is less trustful that the official ukranian side of the story (&
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he said the ukranian statehood is a mistake. where does this cultural genocide thing comes from? there are at least two public appearances when putin switches to ukranian (briefly). no one doubts that the west has every right to do that but
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What were Russias wars since ussr collapse? - Chechnya (internal hence doesn't matter) - Georgia 2008 (after they aligned with the US and decided to join nato) - Ukraine 2014 (pretty much the same reason) - Ukraine 2022 (once nato-ukra
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I guess the goal was not to condemn or to justify rather than to provide some context conveniently lacking in the mainstream media.
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they report ukranian side of the story. and nowhere the article says that this pov is supported by anyone independent.
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> support the Ukrainian resistance because it will prolong the war and civilian casualties. It is just a fact. If you were able to follow some ukranian information channels not aligned with the current regime in Kiev you would see that t
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I was writing about 2014 when the coup took place. There was a popular revolt, no one is disputing it. It was nationalistic (moskalyaku na gilyaku) as was the successing government which lead to antagonization of the east and crimea. Arguin
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"Instigated" is inaccurate, I agree. There were protests going on but there's still a legitimate president (de jure at least). US diplomats are caught on tape discussing who should be and should not be in the new government.
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Of course russia is the aggressor now, and people are generally fleeing west. My estimate for maidan times is based on preceding elections where "pro-russian" yanukovich won by a small margin.
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He is not detested. He is deemed irrelevant as any other politician since putin has effectively destroyed the politics in Russia.
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Obviously Ukraine didn't split in two and only small parts seceded. As to how many Ukrainians were unhappy with the new government - I don't have a good estimate as I wasn't interested in Ukranian politics and might be wrong.
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> 2014 led to the Euromaidan protests, complete with violence, that led to that government's collapse. This was the time when Russia annexed Crimea and civil war broke out in Donetsk and Luhansk Your have written a lot but omitted t
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> Just ours. I understand your sentiment. The point is that in case of Ukraine the pro-russian half of the population did not want to be governed by us-installed government who started their reign by changing the language legislature in
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> This is a position that Stalin took almost a century ago before causing 5 millions Ukrainians to die from starvation. The deliberate ethnic genocide is not universally accepted. The famine affected large areas of the USSR besides Ukr
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> I think that it's still Russia's fault for using a stick and not having a carrot. I agree. But saudi gets away with ironing Yemen just because it's an US ally not because it's influential by itself
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> The people of Ukraine have ... overthrown a president ... It's more accurate to say that some ukranian people have ousted the president and let US decide whom to put in place The country was split nearly 50/50 between pro-
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