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> France is openly against Muslims (due to the recent events, Charlie Hedbo, etc.). What? There is certainly a growing anti-islamism (political movement who

> France is openly against Muslims (due to the recent events, Charlie Hedbo, etc.). What? There is certainly a growing anti-islamism (political movement who supports using the Qran (Muslim's sacred book) as a social and political framework), and lots of frustrations the infamous binationals from Algeria (holders of french and Algerian citizenships) that decided to massacre people for drawings. There has been also some shock to see lots of support for Charlie Hebdo's terrorists among muslim communities online. During the aftermath of the event, a hashtag on twitter was among the top of the country (#Che - in Arabic "Che" means "you deserved it"). I would not call France "anti-Muslim", especially when 10% of the population is of Arabic descent, and Muslim. Seriously, the US has barely 1% of its population that is muslim. France has no lessons to receive to anyone concerning how it handles its muslim majority. The cultural pressure is unparalleled. Disclosure: French expat of Algerian descent - immigrated to France in the 90s.

atmosx 11y ago
How would you call that? [1] [1] http://www.rt.com/news/224395-muslim-incidents-rise-france/ http://www.rt.com/news/224395-muslim-incidents-rise-france/
- evilhaskeller 11y ago
  I do deny that there are rising tensions. However, before I continue, I would like to highlight that those numbers are coming from a non-gov that have a pretty infamous record, as well as strong ties with Islam fundamentalism circles. - Their definition of "hate-crime" is pretty blurry. For example, in 2007 a civil employee asked a muslim woman who was fully veiled to take off her niqab in order to verify her identity. This was considered a "hate crime". There is a plethora of similar stories. - They do not disclose their methodology or data. - They hold some seriously backward views on society. For example, they consider any feminist organization to be "islamophobic" de facto. There have been plenty of controversies raised by their leadership for being openly antisemite. Accusing the government "of favoring the jews". If you read french, more at https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectif_contre_l%27islamophobie_en_France https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectif_contre_l%27islamopho..., there has been some very interesting analysis made by investigation journalist from Le Monde (left) as well. ===== Now, even ignoring the fact that those numbers are almost certainly made up. I do not think you can really generalize that to the whole country. It is really confusing for an outsider, but refugees, educated muslims and muslims living in the suburbs are pretty much very distinct groups in the eyes of most people. No one is pissed at someone for being a muslim, what generates anger and frustration are the ones who: - commit crimes - try to pull their religion on everyone else. I would not say that France is openly against muslims. There isn't one muslim community. Plenty of people from north-african ancestry, who happen to have been raised by a muslim family are doing just fine. I have friends, lived in a nice neighborhood in Paris. I was invited by my neighbors, and so on. I am now living in SF, it's a bit different although I haven't had any major issues. I got some stares from time to time, but it's probably because I walk funny.

atmosx 11y ago

How would you call that? [1] [1] http://www.rt.com/news/224395-muslim-incidents-rise-france/ http://www.rt.com/news/224395-muslim-incidents-rise-france/

evilhaskeller 11y ago
I do deny that there are rising tensions. However, before I continue, I would like to highlight that those numbers are coming from a non-gov that have a pretty infamous record, as well as strong ties with Islam fundamentalism circles. - Their definition of "hate-crime" is pretty blurry. For example, in 2007 a civil employee asked a muslim woman who was fully veiled to take off her niqab in order to verify her identity. This was considered a "hate crime". There is a plethora of similar stories. - They do not disclose their methodology or data. - They hold some seriously backward views on society. For example, they consider any feminist organization to be "islamophobic" de facto. There have been plenty of controversies raised by their leadership for being openly antisemite. Accusing the government "of favoring the jews". If you read french, more at https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectif_contre_l%27islamophobie_en_France https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectif_contre_l%27islamopho..., there has been some very interesting analysis made by investigation journalist from Le Monde (left) as well. ===== Now, even ignoring the fact that those numbers are almost certainly made up. I do not think you can really generalize that to the whole country. It is really confusing for an outsider, but refugees, educated muslims and muslims living in the suburbs are pretty much very distinct groups in the eyes of most people. No one is pissed at someone for being a muslim, what generates anger and frustration are the ones who: - commit crimes - try to pull their religion on everyone else. I would not say that France is openly against muslims. There isn't one muslim community. Plenty of people from north-african ancestry, who happen to have been raised by a muslim family are doing just fine. I have friends, lived in a nice neighborhood in Paris. I was invited by my neighbors, and so on. I am now living in SF, it's a bit different although I haven't had any major issues. I got some stares from time to time, but it's probably because I walk funny.