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The difference is in Switzerland you don't have to be mega rich to have a good life and because those places don't have different laws than the rest of the US,

by joesmo 11y ago

The difference is in Switzerland you don't have to be mega rich to have a good life and because those places don't have different laws than the rest of the US, they only compare if you're rich enough for laws not to matter, at which point it's a moot point. Even the rich won't get paid leave or sane taxes or decent working hours, so to be comparable the level of richness has to put one beyond the necessity of work. In other words, our pockets of Switzerland are no such thing.

adventured 11y ago
Can you explain how you think you need to be mega rich in America to have a good life? Most of the US has a low cost of living compared to eg Switzerland. In most of eg Texas - most of the US actually - you can live well on $50,000 to $60,000 per year. You're aware I'm guessing of the economic metrics of the top 50% in the US? It seems obvious to me that in fact you do not have to be mega rich to live well. The top 80 million Americans in the labor force would likely qualify as having at least as good of a life as the median Swiss standard of living.
- masklinn 11y ago
  > Most of the US has a low cost of living compared to eg Switzerland. In most of eg Texas - most of the US actually - you can live well on $50,000 to $60,000 per year. You won't get >4 weeks paid vacation in "most of eg Texas", or actually affordable healthcare, or paid maternity leave (let alone multiple month worth) and post-leave work-hour arrangements, or a "sacred lunchtime", or the ability to work flexible hours without being looked at like a loser (unless you're self-employed maybe), or 80% salary unemployment, or the ability to live without owning a car. A privileged few may get those. Not "most of eg Texas", not by a very, very long shot.
- scarmig 11y ago
  I love how we went from "The USA has awesome parts too, like Marin!" to "well you've got to be rich to live in them" to "well you don't have to be rich to live in Waco!"
- nick_dm 11y ago
  Firstly, while 50k is far from "mega rich", only 50% of households in Texas earn more than that, so it still excludes a lot of people (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/48000.html http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/48000.html). Beyond that the differentiators are working hours/flexibility and healthcare. A household in Texas might have quite a good life in many respects with an income of 60k/year, but do they get 6 weeks off, flexible working hours (useful if you have kids), and paid maternity/paternity leave that lasts more than a few weeks? In the US if you want/need that extra time away from work you might need to take time of work or go part time, causing a drop in income and perhaps company sponsored healthcare, but in many European these things are available by default to fulltime employees.
- joesmo 11y ago
  Because if you're working in the US, you don't get any of the benefits the article refers to. Without guaranteed health insurance, I don't consider life to be good in America or anywhere else. When you're one small injury (or pregnancy) from being bankrupt and out on the streets, that's hardly the good life. Not to mention the rest of the overworked, under-vacationed life that's generally required by jobs here even if you manage to score a decent one. If you think it's about the money, I'm not sure you've even read the article or any of the comments about it.

by joesmo 11y ago

adventured 11y ago

Can you explain how you think you need to be mega rich in America to have a good life? Most of the US has a low cost of living compared to eg Switzerland. In most of eg Texas - most of the US actually - you can live well on $50,000 to $60,000 per year. You're aware I'm guessing of the economic metrics of the top 50% in the US? It seems obvious to me that in fact you do not have to be mega rich to live well. The top 80 million Americans in the labor force would likely qualify as having at least as good of a life as the median Swiss standard of living.

masklinn 11y ago
> Most of the US has a low cost of living compared to eg Switzerland. In most of eg Texas - most of the US actually - you can live well on $50,000 to $60,000 per year. You won't get >4 weeks paid vacation in "most of eg Texas", or actually affordable healthcare, or paid maternity leave (let alone multiple month worth) and post-leave work-hour arrangements, or a "sacred lunchtime", or the ability to work flexible hours without being looked at like a loser (unless you're self-employed maybe), or 80% salary unemployment, or the ability to live without owning a car. A privileged few may get those. Not "most of eg Texas", not by a very, very long shot.
scarmig 11y ago
I love how we went from "The USA has awesome parts too, like Marin!" to "well you've got to be rich to live in them" to "well you don't have to be rich to live in Waco!"
nick_dm 11y ago
Firstly, while 50k is far from "mega rich", only 50% of households in Texas earn more than that, so it still excludes a lot of people (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/48000.html http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/48000.html). Beyond that the differentiators are working hours/flexibility and healthcare. A household in Texas might have quite a good life in many respects with an income of 60k/year, but do they get 6 weeks off, flexible working hours (useful if you have kids), and paid maternity/paternity leave that lasts more than a few weeks? In the US if you want/need that extra time away from work you might need to take time of work or go part time, causing a drop in income and perhaps company sponsored healthcare, but in many European these things are available by default to fulltime employees.
joesmo 11y ago
Because if you're working in the US, you don't get any of the benefits the article refers to. Without guaranteed health insurance, I don't consider life to be good in America or anywhere else. When you're one small injury (or pregnancy) from being bankrupt and out on the streets, that's hardly the good life. Not to mention the rest of the overworked, under-vacationed life that's generally required by jobs here even if you manage to score a decent one. If you think it's about the money, I'm not sure you've even read the article or any of the comments about it.