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This obsession with making every single website a hugbox these days is moronic. The word retard/retarded is seldom associated with actual retardation instead it

This obsession with making every single website a hugbox these days is moronic. The word retard/retarded is seldom associated with actual retardation instead it's just a synonym for moron. Even if you dissagree with that you should still be able to see that even if we did s/retard/moron/ or replaced it with git, idiot etc it would still violate the TOS.

dwc 11y ago
> or replaced it with git Thank you so much for that. The irony is delicious.
- to3m 11y ago
  'Git' and 'retard' aren't really substitutes...
  - _jgdh 11y ago
    No, they aren't. Git means "bastard", which I find awfully discriminatory towards people brought up by single parents. How will they ever feel comfortable in contributing to open source if all open source development happens on Github?
    - to3m 11y ago
      You're a bastard - in the strict sense - which is uncommonly used nowadays, other than mischievously - if born out of wedlock. Being brought up by a single parent is a separate matter. Urban dictionary has a definition for git that is a bit closer to how I've always understood it. See #2: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Git http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Git
      - _jgdh 11y ago
        I misspoke when I implied that all children brought up by single parents are bastards. In any case, my point stands. Github makes children born out of wedlock feel unwelcome and they should change their name.
        to3m 11y ago
        Git may be a synonym (sort of) for "bastard", but not for all of its meanings. I doubt anybody would link "git" to birth out of wedlock. (Judging by this particular hoohah though it may be true though that Github might eventually turn out unwelcoming to those fitting definitions #2 or #3 from the above link.)
lazzlazzlazz 11y ago
Even the words "moron", "idiot", etc. all have an etymological root in referring to the mentally handicapped. I, for one, will think twice about relying on Github in the future if they try to police what is and isn't appropriate language.
- the8472 11y ago
  > Even the words "moron", "idiot", etc. all have an etymological root in referring to the mentally handicapped. The euphemism treadmill in action. And I like to think of it as the prisoner-as-powersource kind of treadmill, not the fitness exercise one.
- kefka 11y ago
  Just use "double plus unsmart". Or retard. Because I've dealt with retarded compilers and libraries before.
TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
It's not about meaning, it's about usage and impact. Slurs like "r@t$rd" are used against people with mental health issues and make it hard for them to participate in such spaces.
- Cthulhu_ 11y ago
  r-at-t-dollar-rd? how do you even pronounce that? Anyway as a git I am offended by the use of the word git and it makes it hard for me to participate in such spaces.
  - TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
    Offence is meaningless. White people are occasionally offended by 'cracker', rich people by other terms, but they don't cause material harm to them. But people of colour are hurt by words like 'n$@!%r".
    - monstruoso 11y ago
      Words themselves have no meaning. The meaning is derived by the intention and context. It is perfectly correct to use nigger in some context. Just look at Louis CK or George Carlin. Actually George Carlin made a bit about the word nigger and he made pretty good arguments against the American obsession with "bad" words. The Americans have a very childish attitude towards this, I haven't seen any country were adults refer to words by their first letter. As if somehow euphemism make everything ok, even though you say 'n$@!%r", you are still saying nigger.
      - blerb8 11y ago
        Linguist here: you haven't seen much, this "obsession" is inherent to language itself and has a name of its own: connotation. Connotation is everything associated with a word, denotation is what the word actually means. But denotation doesn't override connotation, they coexist. If anything, connotation can change denotation, while connotation changes independently from denotation. So what's the difference between saying nigger and meaning nigger? When you're saying nigger, you give away the option of not meaning nigger, because you cannot use the word free of its connotation: it's there, no matter how you use it. Dogwhistle terms used instead of nigger do not have that universal connotation to them, which is precisely why they are used: they can slip under the radar. So what to do? Honestly, this is extremely simple: don't say nigger if you don't want people to equate what you're saying with the connotation your words carry. And the same goes for retard: if you don't want people to equate your words with the hate directed at people with mental health issues, don't use words whose connotation is limited to that hate. The denotation of "Sieg Heil" is completely harmless, but you have no problem with understanding its connotation and you don't go around saying it when the denotation fits because you know that only Nazis say "Sieg Heil". Well, only assholes say retarded or retard. That's the connotation you're associating yourself with and no matter how much you complain about being misunderstood and people being too PC, you just messed up by not paying attention to the connotation of the word.
fluidcruft 11y ago
s/retard/github/g ?

dwc 11y ago

> or replaced it with git Thank you so much for that. The irony is delicious.

to3m 11y ago
'Git' and 'retard' aren't really substitutes...
- _jgdh 11y ago
  No, they aren't. Git means "bastard", which I find awfully discriminatory towards people brought up by single parents. How will they ever feel comfortable in contributing to open source if all open source development happens on Github?
  - to3m 11y ago
    You're a bastard - in the strict sense - which is uncommonly used nowadays, other than mischievously - if born out of wedlock. Being brought up by a single parent is a separate matter. Urban dictionary has a definition for git that is a bit closer to how I've always understood it. See #2: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Git http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Git
    - _jgdh 11y ago
      I misspoke when I implied that all children brought up by single parents are bastards. In any case, my point stands. Github makes children born out of wedlock feel unwelcome and they should change their name.
      - to3m 11y ago
        Git may be a synonym (sort of) for "bastard", but not for all of its meanings. I doubt anybody would link "git" to birth out of wedlock. (Judging by this particular hoohah though it may be true though that Github might eventually turn out unwelcoming to those fitting definitions #2 or #3 from the above link.)

lazzlazzlazz 11y ago

Even the words "moron", "idiot", etc. all have an etymological root in referring to the mentally handicapped. I, for one, will think twice about relying on Github in the future if they try to police what is and isn't appropriate language.

the8472 11y ago
> Even the words "moron", "idiot", etc. all have an etymological root in referring to the mentally handicapped. The euphemism treadmill in action. And I like to think of it as the prisoner-as-powersource kind of treadmill, not the fitness exercise one.
kefka 11y ago
Just use "double plus unsmart". Or retard. Because I've dealt with retarded compilers and libraries before.

TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago

It's not about meaning, it's about usage and impact. Slurs like "r@t$rd" are used against people with mental health issues and make it hard for them to participate in such spaces.

Cthulhu_ 11y ago
r-at-t-dollar-rd? how do you even pronounce that? Anyway as a git I am offended by the use of the word git and it makes it hard for me to participate in such spaces.
- TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
  Offence is meaningless. White people are occasionally offended by 'cracker', rich people by other terms, but they don't cause material harm to them. But people of colour are hurt by words like 'n$@!%r".
  - monstruoso 11y ago
    Words themselves have no meaning. The meaning is derived by the intention and context. It is perfectly correct to use nigger in some context. Just look at Louis CK or George Carlin. Actually George Carlin made a bit about the word nigger and he made pretty good arguments against the American obsession with "bad" words. The Americans have a very childish attitude towards this, I haven't seen any country were adults refer to words by their first letter. As if somehow euphemism make everything ok, even though you say 'n$@!%r", you are still saying nigger.
    - blerb8 11y ago
      Linguist here: you haven't seen much, this "obsession" is inherent to language itself and has a name of its own: connotation. Connotation is everything associated with a word, denotation is what the word actually means. But denotation doesn't override connotation, they coexist. If anything, connotation can change denotation, while connotation changes independently from denotation. So what's the difference between saying nigger and meaning nigger? When you're saying nigger, you give away the option of not meaning nigger, because you cannot use the word free of its connotation: it's there, no matter how you use it. Dogwhistle terms used instead of nigger do not have that universal connotation to them, which is precisely why they are used: they can slip under the radar. So what to do? Honestly, this is extremely simple: don't say nigger if you don't want people to equate what you're saying with the connotation your words carry. And the same goes for retard: if you don't want people to equate your words with the hate directed at people with mental health issues, don't use words whose connotation is limited to that hate. The denotation of "Sieg Heil" is completely harmless, but you have no problem with understanding its connotation and you don't go around saying it when the denotation fits because you know that only Nazis say "Sieg Heil". Well, only assholes say retarded or retard. That's the connotation you're associating yourself with and no matter how much you complain about being misunderstood and people being too PC, you just messed up by not paying attention to the connotation of the word.

fluidcruft 11y ago

s/retard/github/g ?