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It's not just possibly more than any previous president. Public records show that he has sentenced whistleblowers to 25 times the jail time of all previous Pres

by ewzimm 11y ago

It's not just possibly more than any previous president. Public records show that he has sentenced whistleblowers to 25 times the jail time of all previous Presidents combined. He has also used the Espionage Act more than all previous Presidents combined.

dragonwriter 11y ago
> Public records show that he has sentenced whistleblowers to 25 times the jail time of all previous Presidents combined. I strongly doubt that public records show that people sentenced were whistleblowers, or that the President sentenced them.
- ewzimm 11y ago
  I'm sure you understood that I meant his administration prosecuted whistleblowers leading to sentencing. I was just quoting this article to make it easy for anyone who wanted to look it up: http://econintersect.com/b2evolution/blog1.php/2015/01/26/obama-has-sentenced-whistleblowers-to-25-times-the-jail-time-of-all-prior-u-s-presidents-combined http://econintersect.com/b2evolution/blog1.php/2015/01/26/ob... If you'd like more detail, here's the first source linked in the article: https://www.aclu.org/blog/leak-prosecutions-obama-takes-it-11-or-should-we-say-526?redirect=blog/free-speech/leak-prosecutions-obama-takes-it-11-or-should-we-say-526 https://www.aclu.org/blog/leak-prosecutions-obama-takes-it-1...
- dogma1138 11y ago
  Not Obama, but the DOJ and the Attorney General are part of the Executive branch in the US which means they work for the president. The judges don't but like in most cases the prosecution has just as much and even more power (with mandatory minimums for example) to affect the sentence than the Judge it self in such case when the accused is found guilty. The prosecution charges them with the crime, as well as asks for the punishment, they can charge them with lesser felonies or less counts, they can ask for a more lenient sentencing, but when they charge you with everything in the book 10 times over and ask for the maximum penalty by law what you expect the judge to do? I think people don't realize just how much effective power and agency by law the US executive branch has compared to most other western democracies.
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sitkack 11y ago
I would love to see both of these facts along with citations in an easy to read single page document. Are you counting Chelsea Manning in those numbers?
- ewzimm 11y ago
  I figured the info would be easy enough to source with a quick search, as everyone has different sources they prefer to trust and I didn't want to make it about the source since it's all public record anyway. For example, if you like Jon Stewart, you can get it from him, but if he rubs you the wrong way, you can find the information elsewhere. I did post a link in response to another comment here, but I'd still recommend doing your own research for the big picture. The war on whistleblowers is a very recent development in US history, and no previous administration has come down in the same way as this one. This is partially a reflection of modern technology because information is so much easier to distribute today but also because the level of serveillance carried out by the government requires keeping more secrets than ever.

by ewzimm 11y ago

dragonwriter 11y ago

> Public records show that he has sentenced whistleblowers to 25 times the jail time of all previous Presidents combined. I strongly doubt that public records show that people sentenced were whistleblowers, or that the President sentenced them.

ewzimm 11y ago
I'm sure you understood that I meant his administration prosecuted whistleblowers leading to sentencing. I was just quoting this article to make it easy for anyone who wanted to look it up: http://econintersect.com/b2evolution/blog1.php/2015/01/26/obama-has-sentenced-whistleblowers-to-25-times-the-jail-time-of-all-prior-u-s-presidents-combined http://econintersect.com/b2evolution/blog1.php/2015/01/26/ob... If you'd like more detail, here's the first source linked in the article: https://www.aclu.org/blog/leak-prosecutions-obama-takes-it-11-or-should-we-say-526?redirect=blog/free-speech/leak-prosecutions-obama-takes-it-11-or-should-we-say-526 https://www.aclu.org/blog/leak-prosecutions-obama-takes-it-1...
dogma1138 11y ago
Not Obama, but the DOJ and the Attorney General are part of the Executive branch in the US which means they work for the president. The judges don't but like in most cases the prosecution has just as much and even more power (with mandatory minimums for example) to affect the sentence than the Judge it self in such case when the accused is found guilty. The prosecution charges them with the crime, as well as asks for the punishment, they can charge them with lesser felonies or less counts, they can ask for a more lenient sentencing, but when they charge you with everything in the book 10 times over and ask for the maximum penalty by law what you expect the judge to do? I think people don't realize just how much effective power and agency by law the US executive branch has compared to most other western democracies.

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sitkack 11y ago

I would love to see both of these facts along with citations in an easy to read single page document. Are you counting Chelsea Manning in those numbers?

ewzimm 11y ago
I figured the info would be easy enough to source with a quick search, as everyone has different sources they prefer to trust and I didn't want to make it about the source since it's all public record anyway. For example, if you like Jon Stewart, you can get it from him, but if he rubs you the wrong way, you can find the information elsewhere. I did post a link in response to another comment here, but I'd still recommend doing your own research for the big picture. The war on whistleblowers is a very recent development in US history, and no previous administration has come down in the same way as this one. This is partially a reflection of modern technology because information is so much easier to distribute today but also because the level of serveillance carried out by the government requires keeping more secrets than ever.