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I promise you the claims was to protect Steamboat Willie (which isn't even commercially exploited by Disney) but the goal was to protect Snow White, Sleeping Be

by burnte 11y ago

I promise you the claims was to protect Steamboat Willie (which isn't even commercially exploited by Disney) but the goal was to protect Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, etc. they could still have protect the name under trademark, the argument about the film itself was just nostalgic subterfuge.

yuhong 11y ago
I was thinking of Mickey Mouse.
- quadrangle 11y ago
  Steamboat Willie was the first appearance of Mickey Mouse, and it was itself a direct rip-off of Steamboat Bill, a live-acted non-public-domain film.
  - delinka 11y ago
    s/rip-off/parody/, no?
  - kahirsch 11y ago
    No, it was not a rip-off. There are hardly any similarities between the two films. Steamboat Bill, Jr https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjl2Fj-_Hg0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjl2Fj-_Hg0 Steamboat Willie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBgghnQF6E4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBgghnQF6E4
    - quadrangle 11y ago
      I meant "inspired by" or something of that ilk. The point is that culture is derivative and Steamboat Willie wouldn't have existed without Steamboat Bill. Everything is a remix. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcvd5JZkUXY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcvd5JZkUXY
ChuckMcM 11y ago
Which Disney has used in new creative works putatively to have a new Copyrighted work which will continue to hold their Copyright on the mouse if they fail to get a copyright extension through Congress. It really is messed up.
- yuhong 11y ago
  That still is less harmful than extending the copyright of many other works just for Mickey Mouse, which is what I am really complaining about.
danielweber 11y ago
The NPV of Disney selling copies of its early movies is tiny. Ignoring the things like Saludos Amigos, most kids today aren't really that interested in watching Dumbo. But Disney needs to make sure that if you want to visit Sleeping Beauty's Castle, you need to go to Disneyland. Copyright is a too-broad tool for this, but trade mark doesn't quite cover it.
- dredmorbius 11y ago
  "Enclosures". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclosure_Acts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclosure_Acts
- burnte 11y ago
  Precisely.

by burnte 11y ago

yuhong 11y ago

I was thinking of Mickey Mouse.

quadrangle 11y ago
Steamboat Willie was the first appearance of Mickey Mouse, and it was itself a direct rip-off of Steamboat Bill, a live-acted non-public-domain film.
- delinka 11y ago
  s/rip-off/parody/, no?
- kahirsch 11y ago
  No, it was not a rip-off. There are hardly any similarities between the two films. Steamboat Bill, Jr https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjl2Fj-_Hg0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjl2Fj-_Hg0 Steamboat Willie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBgghnQF6E4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBgghnQF6E4
  - quadrangle 11y ago
    I meant "inspired by" or something of that ilk. The point is that culture is derivative and Steamboat Willie wouldn't have existed without Steamboat Bill. Everything is a remix. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcvd5JZkUXY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcvd5JZkUXY

ChuckMcM 11y ago

Which Disney has used in new creative works putatively to have a new Copyrighted work which will continue to hold their Copyright on the mouse if they fail to get a copyright extension through Congress. It really is messed up.

yuhong 11y ago
That still is less harmful than extending the copyright of many other works just for Mickey Mouse, which is what I am really complaining about.

danielweber 11y ago

The NPV of Disney selling copies of its early movies is tiny. Ignoring the things like Saludos Amigos, most kids today aren't really that interested in watching Dumbo. But Disney needs to make sure that if you want to visit Sleeping Beauty's Castle, you need to go to Disneyland. Copyright is a too-broad tool for this, but trade mark doesn't quite cover it.

dredmorbius 11y ago
"Enclosures". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclosure_Acts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclosure_Acts
burnte 11y ago
Precisely.