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Rent and costs has spiralled in the big cities, meaning that a customer that sits half a day with a laptop costs Starbucks money. Starbucks profit is in Take Aw
by tomasmazetti 11y ago
Rent and costs has spiralled in the big cities, meaning that a customer that sits half a day with a laptop costs Starbucks money. Starbucks profit is in Take Away.
Every customer at Wheelys is a take away customer.
- marincounty 11y agoIf Starbucks is smart they will let people sit there all day! The only reason I drink Starbuck's overpriced bitter coffee is because they have been kind to Anyone who walks through their door. They have allowed anyone(including the homeles) to use their restrooms. Although I think that's starting to change? Watch it Starbucks--some of us notice those Managers who take their job too seriously, like its their bathroom. I go to Starbucks because of the welcoming environment--period. I don't like anything they serve. I could go to the coffee shop across the street(the Coffee Something), but I remember the time they asked my friend to leave. (He looked homeless, but was worth a few million dollars.) I will never forget that day, "You get outa here, you don't spend money!" He was actually one of their better customers, but this particular day, the owner was filling in for a employee. He never went back. My friend easily spent $4/ day, and he was there 4-5 days a week. RIP--RBB.
- jeffmould 11y agoI like Starbucks even if it is overpriced in my opinion. I think the coffee is good. But mainly, you are right, I am willing to pay more for the welcoming atmosphere and ability to sit and get work done without being bothered. With that said, I was in Boulder last winter and was running early for a meeting. I swung in the Starbucks downtown to stay warm and do a little work. I didn't purchase anything, but had to use the restroom. To my surprise the restroom had a keypad on the door. When I asked the cashier for the code she said I had to purchase something. I was rather shocked, although at that point they pretty much had me on buying something :) Ended up using one of my rewards, calling corporate to complain, and having my reward refunded back to me. A lot of work to go through just to use a bathroom. On the flip side, I live in a resort town where the population swells by the hundreds of thousands over the summer. The Starbucks here could care less if you are a customer or not.
- vacri 11y ago> My friend easily spent $4/ day ... I don't think this is the success story you want to paint it as. Who cares if he's a millionaire if he's only purchasing $4/day? If a retail shop is reliant on a customer worth a mere $4/day, then it has serious problems. And if his presence discourages other patrons or consumes space that other paying patrons could have occupied, it's a drag on business. Sure, having an empty shop is a problem because it makes you look unpopular, but conversely, having a full shop of people who aren't purchasing anything is equally bad, because it blocks people who do want to purchase.
- ElComradio 11y agoNot to mention a drag on business due to people not purchasing much coffee, being there for hours, _and_ appearing to be homeless.
- dr_ 11y agoThat customer is likely to purchase coffee or something at Starbucks. Half a day is quite some time to go without having something to drink or having a bite to eat. Presumably Starbucks has calculated this. There's new one near me on 53 and 3rd that has plenty of sitting space, and the food is arranged differently (more like Pret I guess). And there's a sign posted outside that anyone can come and sit without having to make a purchase. The coffee shop is, for many people - especially those starting a company or working on their own - their office.
- a_lifters_life 11y agoNow, that is a great idea. I love the openness with the sign outside! Excuse my newbieness what city is 53/3rd in? Nyc?
- dr_ 11y agoYes nyc.
- _dps 11y ago> a customer that sits half a day with a laptop costs Starbucks money. First, congratulations on your launch! I hope to try Wheelys out soon! A bit of well-intentioned feedback regarding your positioning strategy: as I am often the customer you mention who sits at Starbucks (or other coffee shops) all day, I can assure you that the owners don't perceive me as a cost even though I don't buy much (I often speak with them and ask about life as a small business owner). In fact, at locations I often visit, it's very common (say 1 in 3 visits) for the managers to give me a tiny freebie. Maybe I'm just a likable guy, but I don't think I'm so charismatic as to completely warp their perception of me being a drain or a benefit. I think one important point is that I make sure to buy something any time I'm taking up space and the place is crowded (say 70+% fill rate on seating space). But that's at most 2 hours per day (the morning pre-work rush and the lunch rush). In those peak hours I would agree that I am taking up valuable real estate and should contribute something to their upkeep. Anyway, congratulations again and I hope to see one of your sites soon!
- pedalpete 11y agoStarbucks Owners?? I thought Starbucks owned most of the shops. http://www.starbucks.ca/customer-service/faqs/business http://www.starbucks.ca/customer-service/faqs/business That is why the 'owner' doesn't care.
- ecubed 11y agoIn his reply he mentions '(or other coffee shops) ', I would assume those are the owners he's talking about
- _dps 11y agoSure, I elided a bit of complexity. I visit many coffee shops, including Starbucks. Some are owner-operated, some are not. Indeed Starbucks doesn't have a franchise model. And yet the managers both there and at owner-operated shops always seem happy to have me around "taking up space", and often offer me a free something-or-other. That doesn't change the fact, raised in a sibling comment, that given the fixed cost of rent, having someone in the shop during off-peak hours is in a sense "advertising" the desirability of the place. Trickle revenue + "advertising" using up slack capacity seems like a clear win for them, given the pre-existing real estate investment.
- ww520 11y agoThe customer who sits half a day in a Starbucks is doing free advertising for Starbucks. A filled and busy shop attracts much more business than an empty one.
- chaostheory 11y agoThat reminds me of Apple stores and their free to use computers.
- xgarland 11y agoGreat point!
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- mandeepj 11y agoWow! that is a great thought. I would have never thought that. On the other side, starbucks don't need that type of advertising now and a small\upcoming shop can't afford that kind of advertising. This idea is also business specific. Can restaurants afford whole day sitting customers? No, I think
- kenko 11y agoRight, and I specifically would not patronize a cafe or cart that didn't allow me to hang around for an hour or more.
- tomasmazetti 11y agoWe LOVE people to hang out. The point is that most young people don't have access to the $ 500 000 it costs to open a Starbucks in a big city.
- gdilla 11y agoI would think SB understands how to maximize revenue based on size, rent, and location of their stores. Revenue/sq ft would be one metric to use. There's SBs out there with no seating or public seating (like airports), to ones in stripmalls you have to drive to.
- amirmc 11y ago> "... meaning that a customer that sits half a day with a laptop costs Starbucks money." If you consider that the largest cost is probably rent, then people sitting around probably add only a tiny amount more. It's only an issue if the shop happens to be be full and there are other customers who wanted a seat. That person sitting there is probably doing Starbucks a favour. People are more inclined to go somewhere where there are other people.
- JupiterMoon 11y agoThis is not quite accurate as it assumes that Starbucks must have premises of a certain size. If Starbucks had smaller shops they'd pay smaller rent. Their business model of having large shops is their problem right now.
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- ethbro 11y agoI don't think it's a problem, but it is a limitation. Starbucks can't place a location anywhere they can't fit one of their buildings. As comments further down noted, there are two types of coffee customers: (1) get it and leave & (2) spend time in a coffee shop. Where (1) breaks down is basically if you don't have access to a Starbucks on a commute. Which to me is a particular type of customer: lives in a city core, bikes or walks to work / uses mass transit. These are the type of customers Starbucks can't really afford to chase. They're designed as a stop when someone is commuting in from the suburbs via car. Deliver a high-quality, dependable (key!!), possibly cheaper product right in front of a rail or transit stop? Bob's your uncle. Good luck! PS: Step 2: ? Step 3: (Get bought by Starbucks and profit!)
- a_lifters_life 11y agoThis is well put. I do think having others in a starbucks can be a blessing, rather than a detriment to their business.
- gambiting 11y agoThis would also need a licence to operate in many European cities, you can't just start selling coffee on the street. I guess the licence will be much cheaper than rent, but it's a cost,and it might not be even granted in the first place.