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While it is sexy to brand this (especially for media) as a 'threat' or 'will take on' Starbucks, that should not be the focus and it should instead be about del

While it is sexy to brand this (especially for media) as a 'threat' or 'will take on' Starbucks, that should not be the focus and it should instead be about delivering maximum value to its customers, which are likely going to be different customers than Starbucks customers. Starbucks customers go there for the customer experience, not for the coffee - there is better and cheaper coffee elsewhere, even McDonalds (literally). I hope they are laser focused on their demographic and who their customer is rather than try to be the universal solution to coffee. A challenge will be how do you deliver the same exciting experience on a coffee stand without having the focus becoming operations and churning out coffee as quickly as possible. Most people can probably grab coffee at work for free if they wanted to but they choose to go to coffee shops for the "cool factor", and to feel like they are taking a break from their normal routine. If the person(s) running the stand need to be super friendly, engaging, fun, etc. if this is going to really take off, and experience shows us that is no leap of faith as you operationalize and expand locations so quickly.

tomasmazetti 11y ago
Rent and costs has spiralled in the big cities, meaning that a customer that sits half a day with a laptop costs Starbucks money. Starbucks profit is in Take Away. Every customer at Wheelys is a take away customer.
- marincounty 11y ago
  If Starbucks is smart they will let people sit there all day! The only reason I drink Starbuck's overpriced bitter coffee is because they have been kind to Anyone who walks through their door. They have allowed anyone(including the homeles) to use their restrooms. Although I think that's starting to change? Watch it Starbucks--some of us notice those Managers who take their job too seriously, like its their bathroom. I go to Starbucks because of the welcoming environment--period. I don't like anything they serve. I could go to the coffee shop across the street(the Coffee Something), but I remember the time they asked my friend to leave. (He looked homeless, but was worth a few million dollars.) I will never forget that day, "You get outa here, you don't spend money!" He was actually one of their better customers, but this particular day, the owner was filling in for a employee. He never went back. My friend easily spent $4/ day, and he was there 4-5 days a week. RIP--RBB.
  - jeffmould 11y ago
    I like Starbucks even if it is overpriced in my opinion. I think the coffee is good. But mainly, you are right, I am willing to pay more for the welcoming atmosphere and ability to sit and get work done without being bothered. With that said, I was in Boulder last winter and was running early for a meeting. I swung in the Starbucks downtown to stay warm and do a little work. I didn't purchase anything, but had to use the restroom. To my surprise the restroom had a keypad on the door. When I asked the cashier for the code she said I had to purchase something. I was rather shocked, although at that point they pretty much had me on buying something :) Ended up using one of my rewards, calling corporate to complain, and having my reward refunded back to me. A lot of work to go through just to use a bathroom. On the flip side, I live in a resort town where the population swells by the hundreds of thousands over the summer. The Starbucks here could care less if you are a customer or not.
  - vacri 11y ago
    > My friend easily spent $4/ day ... I don't think this is the success story you want to paint it as. Who cares if he's a millionaire if he's only purchasing $4/day? If a retail shop is reliant on a customer worth a mere $4/day, then it has serious problems. And if his presence discourages other patrons or consumes space that other paying patrons could have occupied, it's a drag on business. Sure, having an empty shop is a problem because it makes you look unpopular, but conversely, having a full shop of people who aren't purchasing anything is equally bad, because it blocks people who do want to purchase.
    - ElComradio 11y ago
      Not to mention a drag on business due to people not purchasing much coffee, being there for hours, _and_ appearing to be homeless.
- dr_ 11y ago
  That customer is likely to purchase coffee or something at Starbucks. Half a day is quite some time to go without having something to drink or having a bite to eat. Presumably Starbucks has calculated this. There's new one near me on 53 and 3rd that has plenty of sitting space, and the food is arranged differently (more like Pret I guess). And there's a sign posted outside that anyone can come and sit without having to make a purchase. The coffee shop is, for many people - especially those starting a company or working on their own - their office.
  - a_lifters_life 11y ago
    Now, that is a great idea. I love the openness with the sign outside! Excuse my newbieness what city is 53/3rd in? Nyc?
    - dr_ 11y ago
      Yes nyc.
- _dps 11y ago
  > a customer that sits half a day with a laptop costs Starbucks money. First, congratulations on your launch! I hope to try Wheelys out soon! A bit of well-intentioned feedback regarding your positioning strategy: as I am often the customer you mention who sits at Starbucks (or other coffee shops) all day, I can assure you that the owners don't perceive me as a cost even though I don't buy much (I often speak with them and ask about life as a small business owner). In fact, at locations I often visit, it's very common (say 1 in 3 visits) for the managers to give me a tiny freebie. Maybe I'm just a likable guy, but I don't think I'm so charismatic as to completely warp their perception of me being a drain or a benefit. I think one important point is that I make sure to buy something any time I'm taking up space and the place is crowded (say 70+% fill rate on seating space). But that's at most 2 hours per day (the morning pre-work rush and the lunch rush). In those peak hours I would agree that I am taking up valuable real estate and should contribute something to their upkeep. Anyway, congratulations again and I hope to see one of your sites soon!
  - pedalpete 11y ago
    Starbucks Owners?? I thought Starbucks owned most of the shops. http://www.starbucks.ca/customer-service/faqs/business http://www.starbucks.ca/customer-service/faqs/business That is why the 'owner' doesn't care.
    - ecubed 11y ago
      In his reply he mentions '(or other coffee shops) ', I would assume those are the owners he's talking about
    - _dps 11y ago
      Sure, I elided a bit of complexity. I visit many coffee shops, including Starbucks. Some are owner-operated, some are not. Indeed Starbucks doesn't have a franchise model. And yet the managers both there and at owner-operated shops always seem happy to have me around "taking up space", and often offer me a free something-or-other. That doesn't change the fact, raised in a sibling comment, that given the fixed cost of rent, having someone in the shop during off-peak hours is in a sense "advertising" the desirability of the place. Trickle revenue + "advertising" using up slack capacity seems like a clear win for them, given the pre-existing real estate investment.
- ww520 11y ago
  The customer who sits half a day in a Starbucks is doing free advertising for Starbucks. A filled and busy shop attracts much more business than an empty one.
  - chaostheory 11y ago
    That reminds me of Apple stores and their free to use computers.
    - xgarland 11y ago
      Great point!
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  - mandeepj 11y ago
    Wow! that is a great thought. I would have never thought that. On the other side, starbucks don't need that type of advertising now and a small\upcoming shop can't afford that kind of advertising. This idea is also business specific. Can restaurants afford whole day sitting customers? No, I think
    - epa 11y ago
      What would be the first thing that runs through your mind if you walked into an empty starbucks? "Are you open?"
      - mandeepj 11y ago
        If there are employees inside that means they are open then I would order and grab my coffee
        annnnd 11y ago
        Sure, but the feeling is different...
- kenko 11y ago
  Right, and I specifically would not patronize a cafe or cart that didn't allow me to hang around for an hour or more.
  - tomasmazetti 11y ago
    We LOVE people to hang out. The point is that most young people don't have access to the $ 500 000 it costs to open a Starbucks in a big city.
- gdilla 11y ago
  I would think SB understands how to maximize revenue based on size, rent, and location of their stores. Revenue/sq ft would be one metric to use. There's SBs out there with no seating or public seating (like airports), to ones in stripmalls you have to drive to.
- amirmc 11y ago
  > "... meaning that a customer that sits half a day with a laptop costs Starbucks money." If you consider that the largest cost is probably rent, then people sitting around probably add only a tiny amount more. It's only an issue if the shop happens to be be full and there are other customers who wanted a seat. That person sitting there is probably doing Starbucks a favour. People are more inclined to go somewhere where there are other people.
  - JupiterMoon 11y ago
    This is not quite accurate as it assumes that Starbucks must have premises of a certain size. If Starbucks had smaller shops they'd pay smaller rent. Their business model of having large shops is their problem right now.
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    - ethbro 11y ago
      I don't think it's a problem, but it is a limitation. Starbucks can't place a location anywhere they can't fit one of their buildings. As comments further down noted, there are two types of coffee customers: (1) get it and leave & (2) spend time in a coffee shop. Where (1) breaks down is basically if you don't have access to a Starbucks on a commute. Which to me is a particular type of customer: lives in a city core, bikes or walks to work / uses mass transit. These are the type of customers Starbucks can't really afford to chase. They're designed as a stop when someone is commuting in from the suburbs via car. Deliver a high-quality, dependable (key!!), possibly cheaper product right in front of a rail or transit stop? Bob's your uncle. Good luck! PS: Step 2: ? Step 3: (Get bought by Starbucks and profit!)
  - a_lifters_life 11y ago
    This is well put. I do think having others in a starbucks can be a blessing, rather than a detriment to their business.
- gambiting 11y ago
  This would also need a licence to operate in many European cities, you can't just start selling coffee on the street. I guess the licence will be much cheaper than rent, but it's a cost,and it might not be even granted in the first place.
jmtame 11y ago
There are some interesting psychological reasons why people hang out in cafes. Procrastination is one of them. When you're at a cafe and you have your laptop out, there's a similar social pressure that exists in the workplace or university classroom that sort of discourages procrastination (eg watching YouTube videos) and encourages being productive. I remember reading about this in NPR or Psychology Today, but can't track the article down now.
kenko 11y ago
yes, this headline is a perfect example of Maciej's recent complaint: "The other part of our exponential hangover is how we build our businesses. The cult of growth denies the idea that you can build anything useful or helpful unless you're prepared to bring it to so-called "Internet scale". There's no point in opening a lemonade stand unless you're prepared to take on PepsiCo." Why not back this company to, you know, sell good coffee and be a success on its own terms?
- lmm 11y ago
  That's not YC's business model. If you're not shooting for internet scale, you don't need YC's money in the first place.
nether 11y ago
McDonalds, seriously? It tastes like pre-Pike Place roast Starbucks (circa 2006), whereas current Starbucks Veranda blend pourover is actually pretty good.
robbrown451 11y ago
I go to Starbucks for the coffee. And I don't generally stick around unless I have time to kill for some reason. And I'd get coffee from one of these if the line was shorter and the price was close to the same. Admittedly I'm not super particular about my coffee, but I drink a few cups a day.
keypusher 11y ago
I go to Starbucks pretty often, but specifically for their espresso drinks (latte, macchiato, iced drinks, etc). None of which you can get at McDonalds, or at a cart like this. Most of the people I see in Starbucks are not drinking "coffee", they are drinking some fancy thing with syrups and ice and espresso.
ultimoo 11y ago
>> Starbucks customers go there for the customer experience, not for the coffee - there is better and cheaper coffee elsewhere, even McDonalds (literally). This is a sweeping generalization. Coffee, like food, is a vastly subjective experience. >> Most people can probably grab coffee at work for free if they wanted to but they choose to go to coffee shops for the "cool factor", and to feel like they are taking a break from their normal routine. Who are these 'most people' are why are we making assumptions about where the get their coffee from without a research or a survey citation? I'm sorry, I don't intend to be mean spirited here, just that I've been increasingly seeing seeing comments here that appear well thought out and well written on the surface but are peppered with logical and factual fallacies.
- dandelany 11y ago
  Oh, lighten up, this is a discussion forum not a thesis paper. It should be obvious that comments like this are anecdotal opinions without the constant need for phrases like "in my experience/opinion".
lostInTheWoods3 11y ago
Starbucks customers go there for the customer experience, not for the coffee Actually we go for the coffee. But there is something to be said for the store experience of Starbucks, it is high-class and delightful, compared to something like Dunkin Donuts. there is better and cheaper coffee elsewhere, even McDonalds People who can't taste the difference between McDonalds' coffee and Starbucks, are not in Starbucks demographic. For the price, you can't get a better cup of coffee, unless you're willing to roast the beans yourself. With that said, the key issues with Starbucks, are long lines, high prices and the wi-fi squatters. I seriously doubt that a cart based coffee stand can address all of these issues.
- tonyarkles 11y ago
  As a curiosity, have you tried the new McDonald's coffee? I'd call myself a low-mid coffee snob, and I'm pretty impressed with it, for what it is. I, however, do go to Starbucks to be one of your problems: I'm a wi-fi squatter. I'll go in, get an Americano and sometimes a breakfast sandwich, and sit and work until lunch time. If it gets busy and there's no tables available, I'll leave early. I get the impression that the organization doesn't see us as a problem though. The Starbucks closest to my house wired in extra outlets so that there's a row of tables with 2 outlets per table. I'm on a first-name basis with all of the staff, and we have deeper conversations beyond "how's your day? good. good." There is lots of better coffee nearby in my town, but I go there pretty much 100% for the welcoming atmosphere. There's a place that's across the street from a Starbucks with little signs on the tables that say "If you're staying for longer than 45 minutes, please make another purchase." I don't go there very often; we obviously don't have compatible desires from the exchange.
  - bane 11y ago
    McDonald's regular brewed coffee has always been quite good (same with Dunkin' Donuts), and they brew it fresh constantly. The 'McCafe' or whatever they call it espresso-style drinks are pretty poor. However, most McDonald's offer free wi-fi that's usually faster than Starbucks, usually don't have many people in them, and don't mind you sitting around for a couple hours working on stuff. Bonus, they have a better menu of stuff to snack on than Starbucks.
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tomasmazetti 11y ago

Rent and costs has spiralled in the big cities, meaning that a customer that sits half a day with a laptop costs Starbucks money. Starbucks profit is in Take Away. Every customer at Wheelys is a take away customer.

marincounty 11y ago
If Starbucks is smart they will let people sit there all day! The only reason I drink Starbuck's overpriced bitter coffee is because they have been kind to Anyone who walks through their door. They have allowed anyone(including the homeles) to use their restrooms. Although I think that's starting to change? Watch it Starbucks--some of us notice those Managers who take their job too seriously, like its their bathroom. I go to Starbucks because of the welcoming environment--period. I don't like anything they serve. I could go to the coffee shop across the street(the Coffee Something), but I remember the time they asked my friend to leave. (He looked homeless, but was worth a few million dollars.) I will never forget that day, "You get outa here, you don't spend money!" He was actually one of their better customers, but this particular day, the owner was filling in for a employee. He never went back. My friend easily spent $4/ day, and he was there 4-5 days a week. RIP--RBB.
- jeffmould 11y ago
  I like Starbucks even if it is overpriced in my opinion. I think the coffee is good. But mainly, you are right, I am willing to pay more for the welcoming atmosphere and ability to sit and get work done without being bothered. With that said, I was in Boulder last winter and was running early for a meeting. I swung in the Starbucks downtown to stay warm and do a little work. I didn't purchase anything, but had to use the restroom. To my surprise the restroom had a keypad on the door. When I asked the cashier for the code she said I had to purchase something. I was rather shocked, although at that point they pretty much had me on buying something :) Ended up using one of my rewards, calling corporate to complain, and having my reward refunded back to me. A lot of work to go through just to use a bathroom. On the flip side, I live in a resort town where the population swells by the hundreds of thousands over the summer. The Starbucks here could care less if you are a customer or not.
- vacri 11y ago
  > My friend easily spent $4/ day ... I don't think this is the success story you want to paint it as. Who cares if he's a millionaire if he's only purchasing $4/day? If a retail shop is reliant on a customer worth a mere $4/day, then it has serious problems. And if his presence discourages other patrons or consumes space that other paying patrons could have occupied, it's a drag on business. Sure, having an empty shop is a problem because it makes you look unpopular, but conversely, having a full shop of people who aren't purchasing anything is equally bad, because it blocks people who do want to purchase.
  - ElComradio 11y ago
    Not to mention a drag on business due to people not purchasing much coffee, being there for hours, _and_ appearing to be homeless.
dr_ 11y ago
That customer is likely to purchase coffee or something at Starbucks. Half a day is quite some time to go without having something to drink or having a bite to eat. Presumably Starbucks has calculated this. There's new one near me on 53 and 3rd that has plenty of sitting space, and the food is arranged differently (more like Pret I guess). And there's a sign posted outside that anyone can come and sit without having to make a purchase. The coffee shop is, for many people - especially those starting a company or working on their own - their office.
- a_lifters_life 11y ago
  Now, that is a great idea. I love the openness with the sign outside! Excuse my newbieness what city is 53/3rd in? Nyc?
  - dr_ 11y ago
    Yes nyc.
_dps 11y ago
> a customer that sits half a day with a laptop costs Starbucks money. First, congratulations on your launch! I hope to try Wheelys out soon! A bit of well-intentioned feedback regarding your positioning strategy: as I am often the customer you mention who sits at Starbucks (or other coffee shops) all day, I can assure you that the owners don't perceive me as a cost even though I don't buy much (I often speak with them and ask about life as a small business owner). In fact, at locations I often visit, it's very common (say 1 in 3 visits) for the managers to give me a tiny freebie. Maybe I'm just a likable guy, but I don't think I'm so charismatic as to completely warp their perception of me being a drain or a benefit. I think one important point is that I make sure to buy something any time I'm taking up space and the place is crowded (say 70+% fill rate on seating space). But that's at most 2 hours per day (the morning pre-work rush and the lunch rush). In those peak hours I would agree that I am taking up valuable real estate and should contribute something to their upkeep. Anyway, congratulations again and I hope to see one of your sites soon!
- pedalpete 11y ago
  Starbucks Owners?? I thought Starbucks owned most of the shops. http://www.starbucks.ca/customer-service/faqs/business http://www.starbucks.ca/customer-service/faqs/business That is why the 'owner' doesn't care.
  - ecubed 11y ago
    In his reply he mentions '(or other coffee shops) ', I would assume those are the owners he's talking about
  - _dps 11y ago
    Sure, I elided a bit of complexity. I visit many coffee shops, including Starbucks. Some are owner-operated, some are not. Indeed Starbucks doesn't have a franchise model. And yet the managers both there and at owner-operated shops always seem happy to have me around "taking up space", and often offer me a free something-or-other. That doesn't change the fact, raised in a sibling comment, that given the fixed cost of rent, having someone in the shop during off-peak hours is in a sense "advertising" the desirability of the place. Trickle revenue + "advertising" using up slack capacity seems like a clear win for them, given the pre-existing real estate investment.
ww520 11y ago
The customer who sits half a day in a Starbucks is doing free advertising for Starbucks. A filled and busy shop attracts much more business than an empty one.
- chaostheory 11y ago
  That reminds me of Apple stores and their free to use computers.
  - xgarland 11y ago
    Great point!
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- mandeepj 11y ago
  Wow! that is a great thought. I would have never thought that. On the other side, starbucks don't need that type of advertising now and a small\upcoming shop can't afford that kind of advertising. This idea is also business specific. Can restaurants afford whole day sitting customers? No, I think
  - epa 11y ago
    What would be the first thing that runs through your mind if you walked into an empty starbucks? "Are you open?"
    - mandeepj 11y ago
      If there are employees inside that means they are open then I would order and grab my coffee
      - annnnd 11y ago
        Sure, but the feeling is different...
kenko 11y ago
Right, and I specifically would not patronize a cafe or cart that didn't allow me to hang around for an hour or more.
- tomasmazetti 11y ago
  We LOVE people to hang out. The point is that most young people don't have access to the $ 500 000 it costs to open a Starbucks in a big city.
gdilla 11y ago
I would think SB understands how to maximize revenue based on size, rent, and location of their stores. Revenue/sq ft would be one metric to use. There's SBs out there with no seating or public seating (like airports), to ones in stripmalls you have to drive to.
amirmc 11y ago
> "... meaning that a customer that sits half a day with a laptop costs Starbucks money." If you consider that the largest cost is probably rent, then people sitting around probably add only a tiny amount more. It's only an issue if the shop happens to be be full and there are other customers who wanted a seat. That person sitting there is probably doing Starbucks a favour. People are more inclined to go somewhere where there are other people.
- JupiterMoon 11y ago
  This is not quite accurate as it assumes that Starbucks must have premises of a certain size. If Starbucks had smaller shops they'd pay smaller rent. Their business model of having large shops is their problem right now.
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  - ethbro 11y ago
    I don't think it's a problem, but it is a limitation. Starbucks can't place a location anywhere they can't fit one of their buildings. As comments further down noted, there are two types of coffee customers: (1) get it and leave & (2) spend time in a coffee shop. Where (1) breaks down is basically if you don't have access to a Starbucks on a commute. Which to me is a particular type of customer: lives in a city core, bikes or walks to work / uses mass transit. These are the type of customers Starbucks can't really afford to chase. They're designed as a stop when someone is commuting in from the suburbs via car. Deliver a high-quality, dependable (key!!), possibly cheaper product right in front of a rail or transit stop? Bob's your uncle. Good luck! PS: Step 2: ? Step 3: (Get bought by Starbucks and profit!)
- a_lifters_life 11y ago
  This is well put. I do think having others in a starbucks can be a blessing, rather than a detriment to their business.
gambiting 11y ago
This would also need a licence to operate in many European cities, you can't just start selling coffee on the street. I guess the licence will be much cheaper than rent, but it's a cost,and it might not be even granted in the first place.

jmtame 11y ago

There are some interesting psychological reasons why people hang out in cafes. Procrastination is one of them. When you're at a cafe and you have your laptop out, there's a similar social pressure that exists in the workplace or university classroom that sort of discourages procrastination (eg watching YouTube videos) and encourages being productive. I remember reading about this in NPR or Psychology Today, but can't track the article down now.

kenko 11y ago

yes, this headline is a perfect example of Maciej's recent complaint: "The other part of our exponential hangover is how we build our businesses. The cult of growth denies the idea that you can build anything useful or helpful unless you're prepared to bring it to so-called "Internet scale". There's no point in opening a lemonade stand unless you're prepared to take on PepsiCo." Why not back this company to, you know, sell good coffee and be a success on its own terms?

lmm 11y ago
That's not YC's business model. If you're not shooting for internet scale, you don't need YC's money in the first place.

nether 11y ago

McDonalds, seriously? It tastes like pre-Pike Place roast Starbucks (circa 2006), whereas current Starbucks Veranda blend pourover is actually pretty good.

robbrown451 11y ago

I go to Starbucks for the coffee. And I don't generally stick around unless I have time to kill for some reason. And I'd get coffee from one of these if the line was shorter and the price was close to the same. Admittedly I'm not super particular about my coffee, but I drink a few cups a day.

keypusher 11y ago

I go to Starbucks pretty often, but specifically for their espresso drinks (latte, macchiato, iced drinks, etc). None of which you can get at McDonalds, or at a cart like this. Most of the people I see in Starbucks are not drinking "coffee", they are drinking some fancy thing with syrups and ice and espresso.

ultimoo 11y ago

>> Starbucks customers go there for the customer experience, not for the coffee - there is better and cheaper coffee elsewhere, even McDonalds (literally). This is a sweeping generalization. Coffee, like food, is a vastly subjective experience. >> Most people can probably grab coffee at work for free if they wanted to but they choose to go to coffee shops for the "cool factor", and to feel like they are taking a break from their normal routine. Who are these 'most people' are why are we making assumptions about where the get their coffee from without a research or a survey citation? I'm sorry, I don't intend to be mean spirited here, just that I've been increasingly seeing seeing comments here that appear well thought out and well written on the surface but are peppered with logical and factual fallacies.

dandelany 11y ago
Oh, lighten up, this is a discussion forum not a thesis paper. It should be obvious that comments like this are anecdotal opinions without the constant need for phrases like "in my experience/opinion".

lostInTheWoods3 11y ago

Starbucks customers go there for the customer experience, not for the coffee Actually we go for the coffee. But there is something to be said for the store experience of Starbucks, it is high-class and delightful, compared to something like Dunkin Donuts. there is better and cheaper coffee elsewhere, even McDonalds People who can't taste the difference between McDonalds' coffee and Starbucks, are not in Starbucks demographic. For the price, you can't get a better cup of coffee, unless you're willing to roast the beans yourself. With that said, the key issues with Starbucks, are long lines, high prices and the wi-fi squatters. I seriously doubt that a cart based coffee stand can address all of these issues.

tonyarkles 11y ago
As a curiosity, have you tried the new McDonald's coffee? I'd call myself a low-mid coffee snob, and I'm pretty impressed with it, for what it is. I, however, do go to Starbucks to be one of your problems: I'm a wi-fi squatter. I'll go in, get an Americano and sometimes a breakfast sandwich, and sit and work until lunch time. If it gets busy and there's no tables available, I'll leave early. I get the impression that the organization doesn't see us as a problem though. The Starbucks closest to my house wired in extra outlets so that there's a row of tables with 2 outlets per table. I'm on a first-name basis with all of the staff, and we have deeper conversations beyond "how's your day? good. good." There is lots of better coffee nearby in my town, but I go there pretty much 100% for the welcoming atmosphere. There's a place that's across the street from a Starbucks with little signs on the tables that say "If you're staying for longer than 45 minutes, please make another purchase." I don't go there very often; we obviously don't have compatible desires from the exchange.
- bane 11y ago
  McDonald's regular brewed coffee has always been quite good (same with Dunkin' Donuts), and they brew it fresh constantly. The 'McCafe' or whatever they call it espresso-style drinks are pretty poor. However, most McDonald's offer free wi-fi that's usually faster than Starbucks, usually don't have many people in them, and don't mind you sitting around for a couple hours working on stuff. Bonus, they have a better menu of stuff to snack on than Starbucks.

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