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Visual Studio 2015 and .NET 4.6 Available for Download

263 points by runesoerensen 11y ago

ifdefdebug 11y ago
Visual Studio 2015 Community: Full-featured Integrated Development Environment for building Web, Windows Desktop and cross-platform iOS, Android, and Windows apps [1]. ... cross-platform iOS, Android, and Windows apps? That's new, isn't it? [1] https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/vs-2015-product-editions.aspx https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/vs-2015-product-... EDIT: Err, sorry, the page changed since I wrote this comment, the quoted statement is gone... EDIT2: Looks like the page is flipping between two versions as I hit the reload button, probably a mirroring problem. I apologize the noise.
- Cshelton 11y ago
  Yes it is. Although, is .Net fully open sourced yet? or still in the process? I'm not so sure you can build an IOS app quite yet in visual studio?
  - UK-AL 11y ago
    With xamarin you can.
  - zuck9 11y ago
    Has been open sourced but needs work to be compatible with other platforms.
  - megaman22 11y ago
    Parts of it. Stuff like WinForms and System.Web are so wrapped around the axle of Windows that they probably won't be open-sourced, but a lot of it has been.
    - tracker1 11y ago
      Winforms is fairly windows centric, but iirc there is a Mono compatability for most of the interfaces... as to System.Web, I'm pretty sure this has been open since ASP.Net v3, which iirc is included with Mono. I haven't tracked Mono & .Net as closely for the past few years as I've been doing far more node dev, and/or migrating away from .Net apps.
- zuck9 11y ago
  That was announced earlier.
- asyncwords 11y ago
  I believe that's referring to Xamarin and Cordova, which are now built into VS2015. Xamarin still requires a Xamarin subscription to compile and deploy the apps, though. On the other hand, they might also be talking about the new Universal Windows Platform bridges [1], which let you port your Android, iOS, Win32 and Web apps to native Windows apps. [1]: https://dev.windows.com/en-us/uwp-bridges https://dev.windows.com/en-us/uwp-bridges
isxek 11y ago
The provided link is for those with an MSDN subscription. I'm waiting for the Community Edition to appear.
- kozukumi 11y ago
  It will be available at [1] around 16:30 GMT [1] https://www.visualstudio.com/downloads/download-visual-studio-vs https://www.visualstudio.com/downloads/download-visual-studi...
- saticmotion 11y ago
  Appears to be available here: https://www.dreamspark.com/Product/Product.aspx?productid=101 https://www.dreamspark.com/Product/Product.aspx?productid=10...
  - stinos 11y ago
    Didn't DreamSpark used to have the Pro edition? Now for both 2013 and 2015 it's the community edition
    - saticmotion 11y ago
      No idea about Pro, but I downloaded 2013 Ultimate from Dreamspark.
      - deleted 11y ago
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    - asherdavidson 11y ago
      Yes. In fact I downloaded the pro version about two weeks ago, so it seems they only removed it relatively recently. I hope they add pro 2015.
    - megaman22 11y ago
      The Community edition is basically Pro, with different licensing. From what I understand, that's the version that would make the most sense for the target audience of DreamSpark (college students) anyway.
Garbage 11y ago
Announcement page - http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2015/07/20/visual-studio-2015-and-net-4-6-available-for-download.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2015/07/20/visual-...
- sctb 11y ago
  Thanks, we updated the link from the MSDN subscriber's page.
mariusmg 11y ago
Installing the enterprise version now. Hopefully it works fine side by side with 2013.
- detay 11y ago
  I had 2015 RC working side by side with 2013 with no problems. Full release should work properly as well.
runesoerensen 11y ago
There are more details about the .NET 4.6 release on the .NET blog [1] [1] http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2015/07/20/announcing-net-framework-4-6.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2015/07/20/announcing...
- thecopy 11y ago
  Glad to that developement on WPF has not stagnated.
  - nhebb 11y ago
    Surprisingly, there was even a winforms update recently.
- ryanjshaw 11y ago
  It's well worth trying .NET 4.6 out if you'd benefit from a performance improvement. I noticed dramatic free performance improvements in Disruptor.NET with the .NET 4.6 CTP.
JohnTHaller 11y ago
Note that the "comparison" page offers near-zero guidance on whether you're allowed to use the Community edition, to the point that it's really not a comparison at all: https://www.visualstudio.com/vs-2015-product-editions https://www.visualstudio.com/vs-2015-product-editions The community edition is free for individual developers, developers creating open source projects under an approved OSI license, or for up to 5 developers in an entire organization. Basically, it's not for production use by companies with more than 5 developers developing proprietary software. At least from my quick reading of the license: https://www.visualstudio.com/support/legal/mt171547 https://www.visualstudio.com/support/legal/mt171547 UPDATE: Community also excludes any organization with 250+ PCs or $1,000,000 or more in yearly revenue. (credit: icegreentea)
- deleted 11y ago
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- icegreentea 11y ago
  That's a pretty good summary. The only extra catch is that enterprise organizations cannot use the community edition except for open source / educational purposes. The kicker is that they define enterprise as 250+ PCs -OR- $1 million plus annual revenue. That definitely borks a lot of smallish companies working in certain fields.
  - JohnTHaller 11y ago
    Thanks for the additional note, I updated my post. I wish Microsoft would just post a real, actual comparison instead of just linking to summary pages and forcing you to read licenses. That's just about as user-unfriendly as it gets.
  - felixgallo 11y ago
    to be honest, if you have 250 PCs or $1mm revenue, you can spend $45/month per developer on the software tools necessary for them to do their jobs without getting 'borked'.
- quaffapint 11y ago
Olivier26 11y ago
Any idea for the availibility of the Productivity Power Tools for Visual Studio 2015?
- eropple 11y ago
  The 2013 ones work if you go hack the VSIX. It's just a version change in the manifest.
zuck9 11y ago
Here's the direct download link for the English Enterprise edition which I'm downloading using wget: http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/4/7/647EC5B1-68BE-445E-B137-916A0AE51304/vs2015.ent_enu.iso http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/4/7/647EC5B1-68BE-4...
- frontier 11y ago
  How did you find this url? I would like to get the community edition ISO url, but can only find the RC dated 4/27/2015, when searching download.microsoft.com.
  - zuck9 11y ago
    Got it from VisualStudio.com, there is an option at the bottom in the Downloads page to get the ISO which is the same as the one in MSDN (same SHA1 values listed) but has different file names. Here's English Community: http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/B/C/0BC321A4-013F-479C-84E6-4A2F90B11269/vs2015.com_enu.iso http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/B/C/0BC321A4-013F-4...
    - frontier 11y ago
      Doh! missed that, thank you!
highmastdon 11y ago
Too bad this does only contain the preview of .NET 5. I hoped this release would bring a more stable version of .NET 5
- Locke1689 11y ago
  It contains .NET 4.6, which is stable and not .NET 5. AFAIK, .NET 5 doesn't exist?
  - crescentfresh 11y ago
    highmastdon is referring to this release containing only a preview of ASP.NET 5. Note the ASP.
  - jeroen 11y ago
    asp.net 5 beta 5: https://github.com/aspnet/Home/releases/tag/v1.0.0-beta5 https://github.com/aspnet/Home/releases/tag/v1.0.0-beta5
- duncans 11y ago
  I think you mean ASP.NET 5
- quaffapint 11y ago
  The ASP.NET team had stated a few months back they are a couple months behind the visual studio release, so it shouldn't be that much longer.
- entitycontext 11y ago
  The ASP.NET team recently published a roadmap here: https://github.com/aspnet/Home/wiki/Roadmap https://github.com/aspnet/Home/wiki/Roadmap There will be three more beta releases scheduled for July, August and September, followed by a release candidate in November. RC 1 will have a go-live license and support for production deployment on x86/x64 Windows, Mac and Linux. There may be more than one RC release, depending on feedback, but the final release should be some time in Q1 2016.
WorldWideWayne 11y ago
Warning to anyone using Windows 2012 Server R2 as your workstation - if you install Microsoft Emulator for Android, it enables Hyper-V which will cause your video drivers to no longer work since Hyper-V replaces your video card with a virtual one (or something like that).
- deleted 11y ago
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  - WorldWideWayne 11y ago
    I used Server 2012 with Hyper-V enabled on this very same machine, with no problem. Something changed in R2 because as soon as I enable it and reboot, my video card is no longer recognized, the 2nd display doesn't work and when I go to re-install the video drivers (nVidia Quadro 600), it can't find the card. I'm pretty sure that I called Microsoft or otherwise got definitive information from them that there was no fix for the problem, so that's when I decided to just use Virtual Box for my VM needs and that has been working out for me.
    - AaronFriel 11y ago
      I found a similar issue here: https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/3a0yra/nvidia_quadro_not_recognized/ https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/3a0yra/nvidia_... Did you try manually installing the Quadro drivers? It sounds like it's not so much a Hyper-V issue as a 2012 R2 issue.
      - WorldWideWayne 11y ago
        Thanks. I'll try that out.
chinhodado 11y ago
Does anyone know if the RTM version will be able to upgrade to the full version once it is released? Also, will it be able to install updates later on?
- Locke1689 11y ago
  RTM = Release to Manufacturing = full version.
  - minot 11y ago
    How about my release candidate that I installed about a month back? Will it update automatically? Does it even need to? Did anything change?
    - Locke1689 11y ago
      Will it update automatically? Not as far as I know. Does it even need to? Prereleases expire. You'll probably need to upgrade. Did anything change? A fair bit, yeah. Not sure if you'll notice, but things will be different and a lot of stuff may not work correctly.
      - tracker1 11y ago
        It's funny, but I started a user profile signing into a VS2013 version.. I had to reset my environment in order to get around some really buggy behavior in VS2015-RC ... that said, I do like most of the recent changes.
    - SmellyGeekBoy 11y ago
      If you're building Windows 10 Universal apps you should hold off until Windows 10 is released on the 29th. I just ran the VS2015 Community installer and it prompted me to remove the Windows 10 Universal Apps Tools RC.
      - minot 11y ago
rottyguy 11y ago
Has anyone done anything interesting with Roslyn to date (v1 is mentioned in the notes)?
- cm2187 11y ago
  I think LINQPad now uses Roslyn. I would be great if this would trigger a flurry of VBA-style IDE to use VB/C#/F# in Excel or any major non Microsoft software!
- Locke1689 11y ago
  http://source.roslyn.io http://source.roslyn.io is pretty cool and the Omnisharp IDE uses Roslyn
- ohitsdom 11y ago
  Fog Creek used it to replace their custom compiler. http://blog.fogcreek.com/killing-off-wasabi-part-2/ http://blog.fogcreek.com/killing-off-wasabi-part-2/
- JamesBarney 11y ago
  I was working on a large enterprise application that had a dynamically generated data model, so all data access was done through strings. So much of the code looked like dictionary accesses "if(car[Constants.Wheels"].ContainsKey[Constants.FrontLeftWheel])" Now unfortunately there was not just one constants file, this application numbered nearly 60 projects and each one possessed a constants file and people added strings when they needed to access a new item from the data model. public class Constants { string FrontLeftWheel = "FrontLeftWheel; } I was given the painful task of replacing every single constant and string in the code with new constants generated from the data model. This probably involved making something along the lines of 40,000 replacements. Luckily I remembered a post by Eric Lippert on Roslyn. Roslyn helped me replace all of the old constants with constants generated from the new data model based on a few heuristics to order by best matches but Roslyn saved me months of mind numbing work so I'ma HUGE fan.
  - rottyguy 11y ago
    Interesting... Was suspecting (hoping) that the technology would provide solutions outside ide/code space. Could you provide some highlevel details of the implementation? TIA!
math 11y ago
For me, .NET Core and ASP.NET 5 are the most exciting things going on in this space at the moment. On Linux, it's all still too buggy to be usable in beta5 (the version shipping with VS2015), but the vibe I'm getting from the weekly standups is they are going to start prioritizing this very soon and it's going to be very usable on a 3-month time frame.
- wluu 11y ago
  Definitely. Keep an eye on the published roadmap on their wiki: https://github.com/aspnet/Home/wiki/Roadmap https://github.com/aspnet/Home/wiki/Roadmap Beta 7's focus on cross platform should be good!
euroclydon 11y ago
I am so scarred from trying to develop an ASP.NET vNext website using the VS 2015 preview releases. The project templates never synced with the tagged code in github, and there were endless bugs. Is it stable now? By that I mean, can I reliably override one of the ASP.NET vNext libraries from source?
rzw 11y ago
+1 on everything. Little disappointed @Test coverage as it is not available in Community!
mhomde 11y ago
I'm really loving how the refactor and generate stuff has developed over the years. It is such a different experience these days and I'm probably at least five times as productive as a result of it. First we had no refactor tools at all, and how we survived I'll never now Then basic refactor tools where introduced. You could call up a dialog to do explicit refactoring. Then the generate functionality was introduced and you could start doing things like typing out a class name that didn't exist, right-click and generate a class and file with that name. Now everything been taken to the far end. I can just edit parameters, types etc directly in the editor, a light bulb will appear, I click it and choose how it will apply refactoring regarding my changes. If I want to change the type returned from a method inherited from a base class I can just edit it in the derived class and have it apply it on the base class. Same with generate, just type a lot stuff like you want it to be, a light bulb will appear and it generates everything with correct parameters and all. If I want to break stuff out of a blob class to a another class called by the original class, I just highlight the methods in the editor and chose "create new class" and it will add initialization for the new class, a field or property for it. Sometimes when I need to split a class in two there really isn't any good refactoring tool. So what do you do? Copy the class and rename it so you have them side by side in the same file. Eliminate the fields and properties for each that you don't want in either. It will now highlight all the code you've broken. Now delete and change all that has been highlighted. Then just click the light bulb and choose "move class to file named whatever.class". Voila! It's such a streamlined process. Or just things like Ctrl-clicking something to navigate to it (or pressing F12). Or quickly finding what code calls a method. Or snippet templates like ctor or prop. To put the cherry on the cake I can press Ctrl-M+Space and Ctrl-M+Z to have the Code Maid plugin reorganize the code and normalize white space. Seeing, doing and navigating has all come together so nicely and totally changed the way I code. It has made constant and continuous refactoring feasible and effortless. The only downside is that I'm not always sure where Visual Studio ends and Resharper begins :) The thing I miss though is unit testing being as "on-the-fly" and integrated into the editor. I'd love to be able to write mini-tests as annotations to methods and have VS highlight when it breaks them. ... and maybe continuous background compiling and "live-updating" of apps :)
- manigandham 11y ago
karpodiem 11y ago
as a newish dev (eventually I'll work my way to vim), I really enjoy using Visual Studio, and my wallet is very happy that they decided to release a Community edition. Microsoft has been making some great strides lately - keep it up!
- romanovcode 11y ago
  If my understanding is correct you're using VS and writing C#. If that's the case it's just stupid to use VIM. Let me tell you one thing: Using VIM will not make you "pro hacker". It won't even make you more productive, probably.
  - RoboSeldon 11y ago
    If my understanding is correct you're using VS and writing C#. If that's the case it's just stupid to use VIM. Please don't call people stupid just because you don't like their workflow. BTW, you can use a Vim emulation layer in VS.
    - mrec 11y ago
      In fairness to GP, GGP isn't using vim, he just seems to have picked up on or imagined a meme that "Real Programmers use vi or emacs". Which, yes, is a bit daft.
  - nulagrithom 11y ago
    There's a VS extension for Vim anyway: https://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/59ca71b3-a4a3-46ca-8fe1-0e90e3f79329 https://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/59ca71b3-a4a3...
- RoboSeldon 11y ago
  Have a look at VSVim it is a Vim emulation layer for VS if you are really into Vim.
merb 11y ago
The news says nothing about 64-bit Support. That's definitely the first Visual Studio that has a 64-bit Version.
- 0xffffabcd 11y ago
  Because VS still is 32-bit[1] program. [1]: http://i.imgur.com/n3fyEos.png http://i.imgur.com/n3fyEos.png
moron4hire 11y ago
Doesn't seem to have licenses available for BizSpark accounts yet? EDIT: If I check my email, I get an answer All BizSpark members who have an active Visual Studio Ultimate with MSDN subscription will see that their subscription has been automatically converted to Visual Studio Enterprise 2015 with MSDN when Visual Studio 2015 is released.
sixbrx 11y ago
I don't see upgrade pricing mentioned anywhere - If one already has Visual Studio 2013 Pro with MSDN (active), is it necessary to repurchase to get 2015?
- quaffapint 11y ago
  If you have an active msdn, you should see 2015 now in subscriber downloads along with any product keys.
- SBG11 11y ago
  You should be able to get VS2015 Professional as part of your subscripton http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/31/visual_studio_2015_msdn_subscriptions/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/31/visual_studio_2015_m...
snoman 11y ago
One subtly awesome thing here is that with ryujit being a part of 4.6 then you can do simd in .net without any hacky pre requisites and workarounds. (http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2014/04/07/the-jit-finally-proposed-jit-and-simd-are-getting-married.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2014/04/07/the-jit-fi...)
iolothebard 11y ago
I love how the VS2013 update 5 is 6.1GB where you can download the full version of Ultimate with update 5 and it's only 4.8GB. 1990s me would be blown away that VS could be this big. I'd be even more impressed that my work fiber downloaded it at 10.2MB/sec (yes MB not Mb).
- twerquie 11y ago
  1900s me had a fabric binder full of MSDN CDs - dozens upon dozens it seemed - with the same software footprint and a harder "download" process.
  - iolothebard 11y ago
    I have those from as late as 2006. Hoarder me keeps everything :-)
richerlariviere 11y ago
I hope they plan to bring Visual Studio on Mac OS X
- swyphcosmo 11y ago
  Have you seen Visual Studio Code [1]? It's not full VS, but it's a good start. [1] https://code.visualstudio.com/ https://code.visualstudio.com/
  - richerlariviere 11y ago
    I've tried it but it's not the same feeling. However, VS Code is perfect for quick file edit.
slickwilli 11y ago
What's the eq. for my MSDN Ultimate? Enterprise?
locusm 11y ago
Do any versions do away with having to login? Spent a weekend on Moreton Island last year and was unable to login, hence unable to do any work. The Partner Edition sucks for this reason.
- X-Cubed 11y ago
  Visual Studio encourages you to sign in with your Microsoft account, but you can license it with a product key instead. Help -> Register Product -> License with a product key
  - RobotCaleb 11y ago
    Is that valid for vs2015. Everything I've read from them says they're dropping away with product keys for it.
oferzelig 11y ago
VS 2015 is version 14.0. VS 2013 is version 12.0. What happened to version 13.0 ?
- Quppa 11y ago
  Triskaidekaphobia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triskaidekaphobia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triskaidekaphobia). The same thing happened to Microsoft Office - Office 2007 was version 12 internally, yet Office 2010 jumped to version 14. On the plus side, it means that the upcoming release (Office 2016) has an internal version number that matches the year. I guess the question is whether the people at Microsoft who decide these things are themselves superstitious or whether they think their customers are superstitious (to the point that they would avoid a product with an unlucky internal version number).
0x54MUR41 11y ago
Is it available for Linux distro?

263 points by runesoerensen 11y ago

Visual Studio 2015 Community: Full-featured Integrated Development Environment for building Web, Windows Desktop and cross-platform iOS, Android, and Windows apps [1]. ... cross-platform iOS, Android, and Windows apps? That's new, isn't it? [1] https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/vs-2015-product-editions.aspx https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/vs-2015-product-... EDIT: Err, sorry, the page changed since I wrote this comment, the quoted statement is gone... EDIT2: Looks like the page is flipping between two versions as I hit the reload button, probably a mirroring problem. I apologize the noise.

Cshelton 11y ago
Yes it is. Although, is .Net fully open sourced yet? or still in the process? I'm not so sure you can build an IOS app quite yet in visual studio?
- UK-AL 11y ago
  With xamarin you can.
- zuck9 11y ago
  Has been open sourced but needs work to be compatible with other platforms.
- megaman22 11y ago
  Parts of it. Stuff like WinForms and System.Web are so wrapped around the axle of Windows that they probably won't be open-sourced, but a lot of it has been.
  - tracker1 11y ago
    Winforms is fairly windows centric, but iirc there is a Mono compatability for most of the interfaces... as to System.Web, I'm pretty sure this has been open since ASP.Net v3, which iirc is included with Mono. I haven't tracked Mono & .Net as closely for the past few years as I've been doing far more node dev, and/or migrating away from .Net apps.
zuck9 11y ago
That was announced earlier.
asyncwords 11y ago
I believe that's referring to Xamarin and Cordova, which are now built into VS2015. Xamarin still requires a Xamarin subscription to compile and deploy the apps, though. On the other hand, they might also be talking about the new Universal Windows Platform bridges [1], which let you port your Android, iOS, Win32 and Web apps to native Windows apps. [1]: https://dev.windows.com/en-us/uwp-bridges https://dev.windows.com/en-us/uwp-bridges

isxek 11y ago

The provided link is for those with an MSDN subscription. I'm waiting for the Community Edition to appear.

kozukumi 11y ago
It will be available at [1] around 16:30 GMT [1] https://www.visualstudio.com/downloads/download-visual-studio-vs https://www.visualstudio.com/downloads/download-visual-studi...
saticmotion 11y ago
Appears to be available here: https://www.dreamspark.com/Product/Product.aspx?productid=101 https://www.dreamspark.com/Product/Product.aspx?productid=10...
- stinos 11y ago
  Didn't DreamSpark used to have the Pro edition? Now for both 2013 and 2015 it's the community edition
  - saticmotion 11y ago
    No idea about Pro, but I downloaded 2013 Ultimate from Dreamspark.
    - deleted 11y ago
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  - asherdavidson 11y ago
    Yes. In fact I downloaded the pro version about two weeks ago, so it seems they only removed it relatively recently. I hope they add pro 2015.
  - megaman22 11y ago
    The Community edition is basically Pro, with different licensing. From what I understand, that's the version that would make the most sense for the target audience of DreamSpark (college students) anyway.

Garbage 11y ago

Announcement page - http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2015/07/20/visual-studio-2015-and-net-4-6-available-for-download.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2015/07/20/visual-...

sctb 11y ago
Thanks, we updated the link from the MSDN subscriber's page.

mariusmg 11y ago

Installing the enterprise version now. Hopefully it works fine side by side with 2013.

detay 11y ago
I had 2015 RC working side by side with 2013 with no problems. Full release should work properly as well.

runesoerensen 11y ago

There are more details about the .NET 4.6 release on the .NET blog [1] [1] http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2015/07/20/announcing-net-framework-4-6.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2015/07/20/announcing...

thecopy 11y ago
Glad to that developement on WPF has not stagnated.
- nhebb 11y ago
  Surprisingly, there was even a winforms update recently.
ryanjshaw 11y ago
It's well worth trying .NET 4.6 out if you'd benefit from a performance improvement. I noticed dramatic free performance improvements in Disruptor.NET with the .NET 4.6 CTP.

JohnTHaller 11y ago

Note that the "comparison" page offers near-zero guidance on whether you're allowed to use the Community edition, to the point that it's really not a comparison at all: https://www.visualstudio.com/vs-2015-product-editions https://www.visualstudio.com/vs-2015-product-editions The community edition is free for individual developers, developers creating open source projects under an approved OSI license, or for up to 5 developers in an entire organization. Basically, it's not for production use by companies with more than 5 developers developing proprietary software. At least from my quick reading of the license: https://www.visualstudio.com/support/legal/mt171547 https://www.visualstudio.com/support/legal/mt171547 UPDATE: Community also excludes any organization with 250+ PCs or $1,000,000 or more in yearly revenue. (credit: icegreentea)

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icegreentea 11y ago
That's a pretty good summary. The only extra catch is that enterprise organizations cannot use the community edition except for open source / educational purposes. The kicker is that they define enterprise as 250+ PCs -OR- $1 million plus annual revenue. That definitely borks a lot of smallish companies working in certain fields.
- JohnTHaller 11y ago
  Thanks for the additional note, I updated my post. I wish Microsoft would just post a real, actual comparison instead of just linking to summary pages and forcing you to read licenses. That's just about as user-unfriendly as it gets.
- felixgallo 11y ago
  to be honest, if you have 250 PCs or $1mm revenue, you can spend $45/month per developer on the software tools necessary for them to do their jobs without getting 'borked'.
quaffapint 11y ago

Olivier26 11y ago

Any idea for the availibility of the Productivity Power Tools for Visual Studio 2015?

eropple 11y ago
The 2013 ones work if you go hack the VSIX. It's just a version change in the manifest.

zuck9 11y ago

Here's the direct download link for the English Enterprise edition which I'm downloading using wget: http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/4/7/647EC5B1-68BE-445E-B137-916A0AE51304/vs2015.ent_enu.iso http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/4/7/647EC5B1-68BE-4...

frontier 11y ago
How did you find this url? I would like to get the community edition ISO url, but can only find the RC dated 4/27/2015, when searching download.microsoft.com.
- zuck9 11y ago
  Got it from VisualStudio.com, there is an option at the bottom in the Downloads page to get the ISO which is the same as the one in MSDN (same SHA1 values listed) but has different file names. Here's English Community: http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/B/C/0BC321A4-013F-479C-84E6-4A2F90B11269/vs2015.com_enu.iso http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/B/C/0BC321A4-013F-4...
  - frontier 11y ago
    Doh! missed that, thank you!

highmastdon 11y ago

Too bad this does only contain the preview of .NET 5. I hoped this release would bring a more stable version of .NET 5

Locke1689 11y ago
It contains .NET 4.6, which is stable and not .NET 5. AFAIK, .NET 5 doesn't exist?
- crescentfresh 11y ago
  highmastdon is referring to this release containing only a preview of ASP.NET 5. Note the ASP.
- jeroen 11y ago
  asp.net 5 beta 5: https://github.com/aspnet/Home/releases/tag/v1.0.0-beta5 https://github.com/aspnet/Home/releases/tag/v1.0.0-beta5
duncans 11y ago
I think you mean ASP.NET 5
quaffapint 11y ago
The ASP.NET team had stated a few months back they are a couple months behind the visual studio release, so it shouldn't be that much longer.
entitycontext 11y ago
The ASP.NET team recently published a roadmap here: https://github.com/aspnet/Home/wiki/Roadmap https://github.com/aspnet/Home/wiki/Roadmap There will be three more beta releases scheduled for July, August and September, followed by a release candidate in November. RC 1 will have a go-live license and support for production deployment on x86/x64 Windows, Mac and Linux. There may be more than one RC release, depending on feedback, but the final release should be some time in Q1 2016.

WorldWideWayne 11y ago

Warning to anyone using Windows 2012 Server R2 as your workstation - if you install Microsoft Emulator for Android, it enables Hyper-V which will cause your video drivers to no longer work since Hyper-V replaces your video card with a virtual one (or something like that).

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- WorldWideWayne 11y ago
  I used Server 2012 with Hyper-V enabled on this very same machine, with no problem. Something changed in R2 because as soon as I enable it and reboot, my video card is no longer recognized, the 2nd display doesn't work and when I go to re-install the video drivers (nVidia Quadro 600), it can't find the card. I'm pretty sure that I called Microsoft or otherwise got definitive information from them that there was no fix for the problem, so that's when I decided to just use Virtual Box for my VM needs and that has been working out for me.
  - AaronFriel 11y ago
    I found a similar issue here: https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/3a0yra/nvidia_quadro_not_recognized/ https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/3a0yra/nvidia_... Did you try manually installing the Quadro drivers? It sounds like it's not so much a Hyper-V issue as a 2012 R2 issue.
    - WorldWideWayne 11y ago
      Thanks. I'll try that out.

chinhodado 11y ago

Does anyone know if the RTM version will be able to upgrade to the full version once it is released? Also, will it be able to install updates later on?

Locke1689 11y ago
RTM = Release to Manufacturing = full version.
- minot 11y ago
  How about my release candidate that I installed about a month back? Will it update automatically? Does it even need to? Did anything change?
  - Locke1689 11y ago
    Will it update automatically? Not as far as I know. Does it even need to? Prereleases expire. You'll probably need to upgrade. Did anything change? A fair bit, yeah. Not sure if you'll notice, but things will be different and a lot of stuff may not work correctly.
    - tracker1 11y ago
      It's funny, but I started a user profile signing into a VS2013 version.. I had to reset my environment in order to get around some really buggy behavior in VS2015-RC ... that said, I do like most of the recent changes.
  - SmellyGeekBoy 11y ago
    If you're building Windows 10 Universal apps you should hold off until Windows 10 is released on the 29th. I just ran the VS2015 Community installer and it prompted me to remove the Windows 10 Universal Apps Tools RC.
    - minot 11y ago

rottyguy 11y ago

Has anyone done anything interesting with Roslyn to date (v1 is mentioned in the notes)?

cm2187 11y ago
I think LINQPad now uses Roslyn. I would be great if this would trigger a flurry of VBA-style IDE to use VB/C#/F# in Excel or any major non Microsoft software!
Locke1689 11y ago
http://source.roslyn.io http://source.roslyn.io is pretty cool and the Omnisharp IDE uses Roslyn
ohitsdom 11y ago
Fog Creek used it to replace their custom compiler. http://blog.fogcreek.com/killing-off-wasabi-part-2/ http://blog.fogcreek.com/killing-off-wasabi-part-2/
JamesBarney 11y ago
I was working on a large enterprise application that had a dynamically generated data model, so all data access was done through strings. So much of the code looked like dictionary accesses "if(car[Constants.Wheels"].ContainsKey[Constants.FrontLeftWheel])" Now unfortunately there was not just one constants file, this application numbered nearly 60 projects and each one possessed a constants file and people added strings when they needed to access a new item from the data model. public class Constants { string FrontLeftWheel = "FrontLeftWheel; } I was given the painful task of replacing every single constant and string in the code with new constants generated from the data model. This probably involved making something along the lines of 40,000 replacements. Luckily I remembered a post by Eric Lippert on Roslyn. Roslyn helped me replace all of the old constants with constants generated from the new data model based on a few heuristics to order by best matches but Roslyn saved me months of mind numbing work so I'ma HUGE fan.
- rottyguy 11y ago
  Interesting... Was suspecting (hoping) that the technology would provide solutions outside ide/code space. Could you provide some highlevel details of the implementation? TIA!

math 11y ago

For me, .NET Core and ASP.NET 5 are the most exciting things going on in this space at the moment. On Linux, it's all still too buggy to be usable in beta5 (the version shipping with VS2015), but the vibe I'm getting from the weekly standups is they are going to start prioritizing this very soon and it's going to be very usable on a 3-month time frame.

wluu 11y ago
Definitely. Keep an eye on the published roadmap on their wiki: https://github.com/aspnet/Home/wiki/Roadmap https://github.com/aspnet/Home/wiki/Roadmap Beta 7's focus on cross platform should be good!

euroclydon 11y ago

I am so scarred from trying to develop an ASP.NET vNext website using the VS 2015 preview releases. The project templates never synced with the tagged code in github, and there were endless bugs. Is it stable now? By that I mean, can I reliably override one of the ASP.NET vNext libraries from source?

rzw 11y ago

+1 on everything. Little disappointed @Test coverage as it is not available in Community!

mhomde 11y ago

I'm really loving how the refactor and generate stuff has developed over the years. It is such a different experience these days and I'm probably at least five times as productive as a result of it. First we had no refactor tools at all, and how we survived I'll never now Then basic refactor tools where introduced. You could call up a dialog to do explicit refactoring. Then the generate functionality was introduced and you could start doing things like typing out a class name that didn't exist, right-click and generate a class and file with that name. Now everything been taken to the far end. I can just edit parameters, types etc directly in the editor, a light bulb will appear, I click it and choose how it will apply refactoring regarding my changes. If I want to change the type returned from a method inherited from a base class I can just edit it in the derived class and have it apply it on the base class. Same with generate, just type a lot stuff like you want it to be, a light bulb will appear and it generates everything with correct parameters and all. If I want to break stuff out of a blob class to a another class called by the original class, I just highlight the methods in the editor and chose "create new class" and it will add initialization for the new class, a field or property for it. Sometimes when I need to split a class in two there really isn't any good refactoring tool. So what do you do? Copy the class and rename it so you have them side by side in the same file. Eliminate the fields and properties for each that you don't want in either. It will now highlight all the code you've broken. Now delete and change all that has been highlighted. Then just click the light bulb and choose "move class to file named whatever.class". Voila! It's such a streamlined process. Or just things like Ctrl-clicking something to navigate to it (or pressing F12). Or quickly finding what code calls a method. Or snippet templates like ctor or prop. To put the cherry on the cake I can press Ctrl-M+Space and Ctrl-M+Z to have the Code Maid plugin reorganize the code and normalize white space. Seeing, doing and navigating has all come together so nicely and totally changed the way I code. It has made constant and continuous refactoring feasible and effortless. The only downside is that I'm not always sure where Visual Studio ends and Resharper begins :) The thing I miss though is unit testing being as "on-the-fly" and integrated into the editor. I'd love to be able to write mini-tests as annotations to methods and have VS highlight when it breaks them. ... and maybe continuous background compiling and "live-updating" of apps :)

manigandham 11y ago

karpodiem 11y ago

as a newish dev (eventually I'll work my way to vim), I really enjoy using Visual Studio, and my wallet is very happy that they decided to release a Community edition. Microsoft has been making some great strides lately - keep it up!

romanovcode 11y ago
If my understanding is correct you're using VS and writing C#. If that's the case it's just stupid to use VIM. Let me tell you one thing: Using VIM will not make you "pro hacker". It won't even make you more productive, probably.
- RoboSeldon 11y ago
  If my understanding is correct you're using VS and writing C#. If that's the case it's just stupid to use VIM. Please don't call people stupid just because you don't like their workflow. BTW, you can use a Vim emulation layer in VS.
  - mrec 11y ago
    In fairness to GP, GGP isn't using vim, he just seems to have picked up on or imagined a meme that "Real Programmers use vi or emacs". Which, yes, is a bit daft.
- nulagrithom 11y ago
  There's a VS extension for Vim anyway: https://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/59ca71b3-a4a3-46ca-8fe1-0e90e3f79329 https://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/59ca71b3-a4a3...
RoboSeldon 11y ago
Have a look at VSVim it is a Vim emulation layer for VS if you are really into Vim.

merb 11y ago

The news says nothing about 64-bit Support. That's definitely the first Visual Studio that has a 64-bit Version.

0xffffabcd 11y ago
Because VS still is 32-bit[1] program. [1]: http://i.imgur.com/n3fyEos.png http://i.imgur.com/n3fyEos.png

moron4hire 11y ago

Doesn't seem to have licenses available for BizSpark accounts yet? EDIT: If I check my email, I get an answer All BizSpark members who have an active Visual Studio Ultimate with MSDN subscription will see that their subscription has been automatically converted to Visual Studio Enterprise 2015 with MSDN when Visual Studio 2015 is released.

sixbrx 11y ago

I don't see upgrade pricing mentioned anywhere - If one already has Visual Studio 2013 Pro with MSDN (active), is it necessary to repurchase to get 2015?

quaffapint 11y ago
If you have an active msdn, you should see 2015 now in subscriber downloads along with any product keys.
SBG11 11y ago
You should be able to get VS2015 Professional as part of your subscripton http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/31/visual_studio_2015_msdn_subscriptions/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/31/visual_studio_2015_m...

snoman 11y ago

One subtly awesome thing here is that with ryujit being a part of 4.6 then you can do simd in .net without any hacky pre requisites and workarounds. (http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2014/04/07/the-jit-finally-proposed-jit-and-simd-are-getting-married.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2014/04/07/the-jit-fi...)

iolothebard 11y ago

I love how the VS2013 update 5 is 6.1GB where you can download the full version of Ultimate with update 5 and it's only 4.8GB. 1990s me would be blown away that VS could be this big. I'd be even more impressed that my work fiber downloaded it at 10.2MB/sec (yes MB not Mb).

twerquie 11y ago
1900s me had a fabric binder full of MSDN CDs - dozens upon dozens it seemed - with the same software footprint and a harder "download" process.
- iolothebard 11y ago
  I have those from as late as 2006. Hoarder me keeps everything :-)

richerlariviere 11y ago

I hope they plan to bring Visual Studio on Mac OS X

swyphcosmo 11y ago
Have you seen Visual Studio Code [1]? It's not full VS, but it's a good start. [1] https://code.visualstudio.com/ https://code.visualstudio.com/
- richerlariviere 11y ago
  I've tried it but it's not the same feeling. However, VS Code is perfect for quick file edit.

slickwilli 11y ago

What's the eq. for my MSDN Ultimate? Enterprise?

locusm 11y ago

Do any versions do away with having to login? Spent a weekend on Moreton Island last year and was unable to login, hence unable to do any work. The Partner Edition sucks for this reason.

X-Cubed 11y ago
Visual Studio encourages you to sign in with your Microsoft account, but you can license it with a product key instead. Help -> Register Product -> License with a product key
- RobotCaleb 11y ago
  Is that valid for vs2015. Everything I've read from them says they're dropping away with product keys for it.

oferzelig 11y ago

VS 2015 is version 14.0. VS 2013 is version 12.0. What happened to version 13.0 ?

Quppa 11y ago
Triskaidekaphobia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triskaidekaphobia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triskaidekaphobia). The same thing happened to Microsoft Office - Office 2007 was version 12 internally, yet Office 2010 jumped to version 14. On the plus side, it means that the upcoming release (Office 2016) has an internal version number that matches the year. I guess the question is whether the people at Microsoft who decide these things are themselves superstitious or whether they think their customers are superstitious (to the point that they would avoid a product with an unlucky internal version number).

0x54MUR41 11y ago

Is it available for Linux distro?