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TL;DR: 20th of July (4 days time) Not a massive fan of "...all versions of Visual Studio 2013 and 2015 will require you to sign in using a Microsoft account...

TL;DR: 20th of July (4 days time) Not a massive fan of "...all versions of Visual Studio 2013 and 2015 will require you to sign in using a Microsoft account..." though. [source: from an email]

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taspeotis 11y ago
> Not a massive fan of "...all versions of Visual Studio 2013 and 2015 will require you to sign in using a Microsoft account..." though. [source: from an email] You don't need to sign in if you specify a retail product key [1]. [1] http://sanderstechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/image23.png http://sanderstechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/imag...
- jmkni 11y ago
  That's changing in 2015, you need to sign in according to the email they sent out this morning.
  - jasode 11y ago
    I haven't seen the email but I find that policy from MS hard to believe. Considering the backlash they got with always-connected XBOX ONE and their subsequent backpedaling[1] after the criticism... plus the fact that many government programmers' computers cannot connect to the public internet, that type of requirement seems draconian. Does MS expect government programmers with security clearances not to be customers of VS2015? [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_One#Pre-release https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_One#Pre-release
    - jmkni 11y ago
      The relevant part of the email is below: Going forward, you will need to sign in to Visual Studio 2013 and 2015 with the Microsoft account associated with your active MSDN subscription through BizSpark. BIZSPARK GRADUATION CHANGES: BizSpark members who complete the graduation process after 3 years in the program can keep most of the software downloaded through the program. However, because all versions of Visual Studio 2013 and 2015 will require you to sign in using a Microsoft account associated with an active MSDN subscription, startups will need to renew their MSDN subscriptions for each user running Visual Studio after graduation. BizSpark members have access to discounted MSDN subscriptions as part of their Graduation Offers. If you decide not to renew your MSDN subscriptions after graduation, you can still use one of these free editions: Visual Studio Community and Visual Studio Code. If you have already downloaded Visual Studio 2013 and save your product key prior to the release of Visual Studio 2015 on July 20, you will be able to continue using Visual Studio 2013 after you graduate. You can find more information about graduation here. So if you grab a license key before July 20th for VS2013, you can keep using it after your MSDN expires, but you can't keep using VS2015. Maybe this is just Bizspark though, and doesn't apply to normal MSDN subscriptions.
      - jasode 11y ago
        >Maybe this is just Bizspark though, and doesn't apply to normal MSDN subscriptions. Yes, the BizSpark situation would be understandable. In that case, dev teams of startup companies are getting 3 years of free (or $100?) Microsoft software. It is to be expected for some quid pro quo to happen: MS lets you use software for free -- and you in turn, are required to actively sign in. That's a different situation from retail/enterprise MSDN subscriptions. Enterprise customers such as corporations and government are not intended for BizSpark so it wouldn't make sense to punish those paying customers with draconian login requirements. In any case, many of those enterprise customers behind firewalls can't connect to the internet.
      - icegreentea 11y ago
        I think it's just Bizspark as MS will continue to sell VS 2015 Pro without a MSDN subscription (it's hidden in the Q&A section near the bottom of https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/vs-2015-product-editions.aspx https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/vs-2015-product-...). Probably implies that at least the IDE only (no subscription) version will not require signing in.
        jmkni 11y ago
        It's weird they specify Visual Studio Professional though, what about Enterprise?
    - tajen 11y ago
      As a developer, I often sell "enterprise" services at 1000x the price, with specific features. There's probably a "government pricing" for such usage.
- jsingleton 11y ago
  From the same email: "If you have already downloaded Visual Studio 2013 and save your product key prior to the release of Visual Studio 2015 on July 20, you will be able to continue using Visual Studio 2013..." Guess we'll have to wait and see what actually transpires but I hope they don't require login. Sometime I like to code offline and I don't want to get locked out of my IDE.
  - FreddyQ44 11y ago
    Damn, so the reasoning is that MS wants to force us to be connected to the internet?
  - 0x0 11y ago
    Are they going to push an update for VS2013 that will require an active subscription? Like Adobe's Creative Cloud?
  - batou 11y ago
    This happened to me a few years ago. The activation blew on my Win7 machine when I was without internet for about 6 weeks. I phoned it through in the end which was an eye opener. If I had to sign in to use software I'd be fecked in this situation again. Made me re-evaluate things pretty sharpish.
FreddyQ44 11y ago
I don't understand the reasoning behind that at all. OK, MS wants our data. So do Apple, Google, FB. No news. But they already have everything: The user (MS account) when downloading VS. The id of the copy (serial number or whatever), all kind of information related to the Windows Version, the currently logged in user, machine data, ... VS or Windows can collect usage data, etc. Why do they want me to sign in VS? They already have it all, don't they? Or are there simpler (less paranoid :-)) reasons?
- batou 11y ago
  Why? Simply to assert their self-assigned rights over everything that you write, think and do and to line up ready to easily collect the drip feed of cash they want from everyone. For this they trade you semi-functional software, vague promises that are usually broken and marketing hype. That's how all "ecosystems" work. Which is why I'm not in one for my personal stuff. At work however, they're lining up like good cows for the next milking. They've forgotten that SQL 2014 cost and the Azure price rise already...
  - yummybear 11y ago
    You sound like you'd be more comfortable in another "ecosystem"?
- UnoriginalGuy 11y ago
  It is tied to your MSDN account and TFS Online (*which supports Git by the way) account. Upon signing in, you have access to all of your company's shared projects and there is no need to enter any serial number(s). Microsoft are trying to move away from boxed software and into software as a service. Linking everything into your MSDN account is one way to "tick" that box. In 2013 at least, there is a "enter serial" button (forget the exact wording) and you can simply grab a ye' olde serial from your MSDN account and plop it in. But doing so breaks TFS Online (since that relies on your Microsoft Account/MSDN Account for permissions to access projects). But if you'd prefer not to use TFS Online then just use GitHub. Visual Studio supports it. Heck GitHub even released a funky extension to make it just that much easier (and that too requires you to login to an account).
snarfy 11y ago
What? That's horrible, but seems to be the way Microsoft is moving under Nadella. Sign in to everything. Everything is a service.
farresito 11y ago
Yes, I noticed that when I was trying the beta. Quite unfortunate, but it seems that's how most things work nowadays.
option_greek 11y ago
Umm.. I don't think that is true. I use VS2013 for work and it only asks for that during the first time launch and provides a "skip for now" link at the bottom. The behavior is same even with community edition.
- btzll 11y ago
  Yeah but if you don't sign in, it will stop working after a few days.
  - WorldWideWayne 11y ago
    It's 90 or 120 days and I believe that's only going to be required for the free Community Edition. Pro and Ultimate level users won't have to sign in.
drfritznunkie 11y ago
Remember, this is Microsoft we're talking about here, which means we've got about 50/50 chance of only half the company actually following through and implementing this ;) Do not, under any circumstance, underestimate the sheer insanity of any Microsoft licensing scheme. At my new $dayjob, they spend $1-2MM/year on Microsoft licenses and support, and it's taken close to 9 months to get Microsoft to fix some incorrectly issued licenses. Not to mention, Microsoft has rolled out some new license portal that only like TWO people know about at Microsoft, so a bunch of shiny new licenses (to the tune of $750K) went "missing" because no one, even our Microsoft rep, apparently knew about the new portal which the licenses had been created in (and which, in fine Microsoft tradition, does not support any of our old licenses...) As the only linux guy here, it is astounding, absolutely astounding to me, how many man hours are wasted just dealing with Microsoft licensing. They probably could have ported their entire stack to open source alternatives in the time it's taken just to get our SQL Server licenses straightened out. But I get the feeling that being a Microsoft shop means you have to develop Stockholm Syndrome just to make it through your day, or else you'd go mad from dealing with Microsoft and their VARs.
- rjbwork 11y ago
  I'll give a quick alternate perspective: I'm 2.5-3 years into my career, and have only worked at small 100% cloud (AWS, then Azure) based businesses. It's been wonderful.. I love my VS/R# combo, and the extreme ease of setting up lots of services on Azure quickly. Certainly a much more productive and enjoyable development experience than I had in 4 years of *nix-only college work.
- WorldWideWayne 11y ago
  If people who like Microsoft-quality tools are suffering "Stockholm Syndrome", what should we call ideologues who consistently eschew high-quality tools and interfaces for openness? Furthermore, if you you're not trapped on Unix, what system could you easily get up and move your life and your work to? > They probably could have ported their entire stack to open source alternatives in the time it's taken just to get our SQL Server licenses straightened out... I bet they'd still be trying to figure out which broken front-end to use to interact with PGSQL. Then we'd see a headline like "After a 10-year Linux migration, Munich considers switching back to Windows and Office".

TL;DR: 20th of July (4 days time) Not a massive fan of "...all versions of Visual Studio 2013 and 2015 will require you to sign in using a Microsoft account..." though. [source: from an email]

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taspeotis 11y ago

> Not a massive fan of "...all versions of Visual Studio 2013 and 2015 will require you to sign in using a Microsoft account..." though. [source: from an email] You don't need to sign in if you specify a retail product key [1]. [1] http://sanderstechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/image23.png http://sanderstechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/imag...

jmkni 11y ago
That's changing in 2015, you need to sign in according to the email they sent out this morning.
- jasode 11y ago
  I haven't seen the email but I find that policy from MS hard to believe. Considering the backlash they got with always-connected XBOX ONE and their subsequent backpedaling[1] after the criticism... plus the fact that many government programmers' computers cannot connect to the public internet, that type of requirement seems draconian. Does MS expect government programmers with security clearances not to be customers of VS2015? [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_One#Pre-release https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_One#Pre-release
  - jmkni 11y ago
    The relevant part of the email is below: Going forward, you will need to sign in to Visual Studio 2013 and 2015 with the Microsoft account associated with your active MSDN subscription through BizSpark. BIZSPARK GRADUATION CHANGES: BizSpark members who complete the graduation process after 3 years in the program can keep most of the software downloaded through the program. However, because all versions of Visual Studio 2013 and 2015 will require you to sign in using a Microsoft account associated with an active MSDN subscription, startups will need to renew their MSDN subscriptions for each user running Visual Studio after graduation. BizSpark members have access to discounted MSDN subscriptions as part of their Graduation Offers. If you decide not to renew your MSDN subscriptions after graduation, you can still use one of these free editions: Visual Studio Community and Visual Studio Code. If you have already downloaded Visual Studio 2013 and save your product key prior to the release of Visual Studio 2015 on July 20, you will be able to continue using Visual Studio 2013 after you graduate. You can find more information about graduation here. So if you grab a license key before July 20th for VS2013, you can keep using it after your MSDN expires, but you can't keep using VS2015. Maybe this is just Bizspark though, and doesn't apply to normal MSDN subscriptions.
    - jasode 11y ago
      >Maybe this is just Bizspark though, and doesn't apply to normal MSDN subscriptions. Yes, the BizSpark situation would be understandable. In that case, dev teams of startup companies are getting 3 years of free (or $100?) Microsoft software. It is to be expected for some quid pro quo to happen: MS lets you use software for free -- and you in turn, are required to actively sign in. That's a different situation from retail/enterprise MSDN subscriptions. Enterprise customers such as corporations and government are not intended for BizSpark so it wouldn't make sense to punish those paying customers with draconian login requirements. In any case, many of those enterprise customers behind firewalls can't connect to the internet.
    - icegreentea 11y ago
      I think it's just Bizspark as MS will continue to sell VS 2015 Pro without a MSDN subscription (it's hidden in the Q&A section near the bottom of https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/vs-2015-product-editions.aspx https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/vs-2015-product-...). Probably implies that at least the IDE only (no subscription) version will not require signing in.
      - jmkni 11y ago
        It's weird they specify Visual Studio Professional though, what about Enterprise?
  - tajen 11y ago
    As a developer, I often sell "enterprise" services at 1000x the price, with specific features. There's probably a "government pricing" for such usage.
jsingleton 11y ago
From the same email: "If you have already downloaded Visual Studio 2013 and save your product key prior to the release of Visual Studio 2015 on July 20, you will be able to continue using Visual Studio 2013..." Guess we'll have to wait and see what actually transpires but I hope they don't require login. Sometime I like to code offline and I don't want to get locked out of my IDE.
- FreddyQ44 11y ago
  Damn, so the reasoning is that MS wants to force us to be connected to the internet?
- 0x0 11y ago
  Are they going to push an update for VS2013 that will require an active subscription? Like Adobe's Creative Cloud?
- batou 11y ago
  This happened to me a few years ago. The activation blew on my Win7 machine when I was without internet for about 6 weeks. I phoned it through in the end which was an eye opener. If I had to sign in to use software I'd be fecked in this situation again. Made me re-evaluate things pretty sharpish.

FreddyQ44 11y ago

I don't understand the reasoning behind that at all. OK, MS wants our data. So do Apple, Google, FB. No news. But they already have everything: The user (MS account) when downloading VS. The id of the copy (serial number or whatever), all kind of information related to the Windows Version, the currently logged in user, machine data, ... VS or Windows can collect usage data, etc. Why do they want me to sign in VS? They already have it all, don't they? Or are there simpler (less paranoid :-)) reasons?

batou 11y ago
Why? Simply to assert their self-assigned rights over everything that you write, think and do and to line up ready to easily collect the drip feed of cash they want from everyone. For this they trade you semi-functional software, vague promises that are usually broken and marketing hype. That's how all "ecosystems" work. Which is why I'm not in one for my personal stuff. At work however, they're lining up like good cows for the next milking. They've forgotten that SQL 2014 cost and the Azure price rise already...
- yummybear 11y ago
  You sound like you'd be more comfortable in another "ecosystem"?
UnoriginalGuy 11y ago
It is tied to your MSDN account and TFS Online (*which supports Git by the way) account. Upon signing in, you have access to all of your company's shared projects and there is no need to enter any serial number(s). Microsoft are trying to move away from boxed software and into software as a service. Linking everything into your MSDN account is one way to "tick" that box. In 2013 at least, there is a "enter serial" button (forget the exact wording) and you can simply grab a ye' olde serial from your MSDN account and plop it in. But doing so breaks TFS Online (since that relies on your Microsoft Account/MSDN Account for permissions to access projects). But if you'd prefer not to use TFS Online then just use GitHub. Visual Studio supports it. Heck GitHub even released a funky extension to make it just that much easier (and that too requires you to login to an account).

snarfy 11y ago

What? That's horrible, but seems to be the way Microsoft is moving under Nadella. Sign in to everything. Everything is a service.

farresito 11y ago

Yes, I noticed that when I was trying the beta. Quite unfortunate, but it seems that's how most things work nowadays.

option_greek 11y ago

Umm.. I don't think that is true. I use VS2013 for work and it only asks for that during the first time launch and provides a "skip for now" link at the bottom. The behavior is same even with community edition.

btzll 11y ago
Yeah but if you don't sign in, it will stop working after a few days.
- WorldWideWayne 11y ago
  It's 90 or 120 days and I believe that's only going to be required for the free Community Edition. Pro and Ultimate level users won't have to sign in.

drfritznunkie 11y ago

Remember, this is Microsoft we're talking about here, which means we've got about 50/50 chance of only half the company actually following through and implementing this ;) Do not, under any circumstance, underestimate the sheer insanity of any Microsoft licensing scheme. At my new $dayjob, they spend $1-2MM/year on Microsoft licenses and support, and it's taken close to 9 months to get Microsoft to fix some incorrectly issued licenses. Not to mention, Microsoft has rolled out some new license portal that only like TWO people know about at Microsoft, so a bunch of shiny new licenses (to the tune of $750K) went "missing" because no one, even our Microsoft rep, apparently knew about the new portal which the licenses had been created in (and which, in fine Microsoft tradition, does not support any of our old licenses...) As the only linux guy here, it is astounding, absolutely astounding to me, how many man hours are wasted just dealing with Microsoft licensing. They probably could have ported their entire stack to open source alternatives in the time it's taken just to get our SQL Server licenses straightened out. But I get the feeling that being a Microsoft shop means you have to develop Stockholm Syndrome just to make it through your day, or else you'd go mad from dealing with Microsoft and their VARs.

rjbwork 11y ago
I'll give a quick alternate perspective: I'm 2.5-3 years into my career, and have only worked at small 100% cloud (AWS, then Azure) based businesses. It's been wonderful.. I love my VS/R# combo, and the extreme ease of setting up lots of services on Azure quickly. Certainly a much more productive and enjoyable development experience than I had in 4 years of *nix-only college work.
WorldWideWayne 11y ago
If people who like Microsoft-quality tools are suffering "Stockholm Syndrome", what should we call ideologues who consistently eschew high-quality tools and interfaces for openness? Furthermore, if you you're not trapped on Unix, what system could you easily get up and move your life and your work to? > They probably could have ported their entire stack to open source alternatives in the time it's taken just to get our SQL Server licenses straightened out... I bet they'd still be trying to figure out which broken front-end to use to interact with PGSQL. Then we'd see a headline like "After a 10-year Linux migration, Munich considers switching back to Windows and Office".