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Not clear that the value of closing this outweighs the value of being able to track exploits. I assume that the Android rootkit mentioned uses known exploits-

Not clear that the value of closing this outweighs the value of being able to track exploits. I assume that the Android rootkit mentioned uses known exploits- the companies not pushing out fixes bear some responsibility as well.

joe_the_user 11y ago
Nothing guarantees that they weren't monitoring this from the start. Nothing guarantees they haven't set-up the successor to this board already themselves. We know the FBI actually engages in systematic lying about how they gain information about criminals - see "parallel construction". We know that in efforts to end drug cartels, the DEA will enter into long term alliances with one cartel to eliminate others.[1] We know the US tolerates the rule of the drug-track caste in Afghanistan for the pursuit of "higher ideals". Just in general, the paradox of mafias, cartels and so-forth is that it easier to use state power to take over such operations than to root them out. Moreover, taking them over has many appealing aspects. The problem is that the more the state moves into simply managing rackets, the greater the temptation to corruption gets, for both the high policy makers and for the low level operatives (you remember the FBI agent engaging in his own embezzlement etc during the Silk Road investigation). But this problem has been around for a long, the state by now are probably at a "steady state" in their corruption. So it seems very possible that the FBI already knows what comes next but can only tip it's hand when the next raid comes in another two years. [1]http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sinaloa-cartel-2014-1 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sin...
- Lawtonfogle 11y ago
  >The problem is that the more the state moves into simply managing rackets, the greater the temptation to corruption gets, for both the high policy makers and for the low level operatives Well, that is if you ignore the far larger elephant in the room of the government running an illegal operation. It reminds me of the times I hear of the FBI taking over some TOR server hosting abusive images and continuing to host it as a honeypot. By their own admission, looking at, hosting, sharing, etc. those images constitutes concrete abuse of a child, yet they directly engage in such. It would be like if the FBI busted up a brothel with children and kept running it to catch more criminals. The ends in no way justify the means.
  - joe_the_user 11y ago
    The ends don't justify the means, yet it is also useful to explain, to the people who think they do, that nefarious means generally only lead to nefarious ends.

joe_the_user 11y ago

Nothing guarantees that they weren't monitoring this from the start. Nothing guarantees they haven't set-up the successor to this board already themselves. We know the FBI actually engages in systematic lying about how they gain information about criminals - see "parallel construction". We know that in efforts to end drug cartels, the DEA will enter into long term alliances with one cartel to eliminate others.[1] We know the US tolerates the rule of the drug-track caste in Afghanistan for the pursuit of "higher ideals". Just in general, the paradox of mafias, cartels and so-forth is that it easier to use state power to take over such operations than to root them out. Moreover, taking them over has many appealing aspects. The problem is that the more the state moves into simply managing rackets, the greater the temptation to corruption gets, for both the high policy makers and for the low level operatives (you remember the FBI agent engaging in his own embezzlement etc during the Silk Road investigation). But this problem has been around for a long, the state by now are probably at a "steady state" in their corruption. So it seems very possible that the FBI already knows what comes next but can only tip it's hand when the next raid comes in another two years. [1]http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sinaloa-cartel-2014-1 http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sin...

Lawtonfogle 11y ago
>The problem is that the more the state moves into simply managing rackets, the greater the temptation to corruption gets, for both the high policy makers and for the low level operatives Well, that is if you ignore the far larger elephant in the room of the government running an illegal operation. It reminds me of the times I hear of the FBI taking over some TOR server hosting abusive images and continuing to host it as a honeypot. By their own admission, looking at, hosting, sharing, etc. those images constitutes concrete abuse of a child, yet they directly engage in such. It would be like if the FBI busted up a brothel with children and kept running it to catch more criminals. The ends in no way justify the means.
- joe_the_user 11y ago
  The ends don't justify the means, yet it is also useful to explain, to the people who think they do, that nefarious means generally only lead to nefarious ends.