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Out of curiosity, what else would be on that list?
by thescrewdriver 11y ago
Out of curiosity, what else would be on that list?
- Tomte 11y agoNationwide Universal Healthcare.
- adventured 11y agoThe US does not have universal healthcare. Further, Obama wasn't responsible for the ACA. edit: if the US had universal healthcare, the US wouldn't have 30+ million people without health coverage today.
- knowaveragejoe 11y agoNevermind that it's a large step in that direction, I'm pretty sure it was his pen that signed it into law.
- adventured 11y agoIt was his pen, that was his biggest contribution to it. His involvement in crafting the legislation, and getting the necessary votes, was almost non-existent. It was the super majority Democratic Congress that was responsible for making the ACA happen. Both in terms of wrangling the votes together, and reaching the countless compromises necessary to get it through by the slim margin it ultimately passed by.
- vasilipupkin 11y agoYou are focused on the mechanics of how it got passed. But it was clearly his major priority and wouldn't have happened without him being in office. So, I apologize, but your statement seems at best completely inaccurate to me
- meragrin 11y agoSo Hillary couldn't or wouldn't have done the same thing? Personally, I think it would have sailed through much more easily had she been in office.
- vasilipupkin 11y agoHmmmm, Hillary tried to do the same thing a long time ago and failed. But more importantly, even if you are correct, that is totally irrelevant to whether or not Obama had anything to do with it.
- ams6110 11y agoHillary has the political finesse of a bull in a china shop. That's always been the source of her failures.
- vasilipupkin 11y agonot sure what to make of this statements. She seems to be doing pretty well right now
- mikeash 11y ago"A did X" is not refuted by "B would have done X too if B were in A's place."
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- ScottBurson 11y ago> Obama wasn't responsible for the ACA. Yeah, Mitt Romney really doesn't get the credit he deserves.
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- briandear 11y agoThere is no universal healthcare in the U.S. There's a tax penalty if you don't buy insurance. There are subsidies for buying insurance, but no fundamental change unless higher premiums and higher taxes are considered fundamental change.
- Retric 11y agoPre existing conditions are no longer a thing with Heath insurance, that's minimal universal healthcare.
- adventured 11y agoHow can you claim universal healthcare, with 12% [1] of the population not covered by any form of health insurance? The US system has very little in common with European style universal healthcare. To say nothing of the extreme cost most Americans still pay for their health insurance, or the bankruptcies that are still overwhelming in the system. Universal healthcare that bankrupts millions of people? That's an inherently ridiculous premise. [1] http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/13/news/economy/obamacare-uninsured-gallup/ http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/13/news/economy/obamacare-unins...
- Retric 11y agoUniversal! = free or total. If you test positive for AIDS you can after the fact buy health insurance long before you need significant medical care. That implies a defacto basic level of coverage for long term chronic conditions which is by far the largest issue. PS: As to the 11.9% figure, that does not include large numbers of people with significant access to health care that’s not based on insurance. EX: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_White_Care_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_White_Care_Act 'improve availability of care for low-income, uninsured and under-insured victims of AIDS and their families.' The VA also provides a lot of free healthcare for people without insurance. Not to mention prisoners getting free healthcare.
- meragrin 11y ago
- willismichael 11y agoAnecdote here - I know people who used to be able to afford to go to the doctor, but now they are paying so much in premiums that they can't afford to pay the deductible (also significantly increased), so they don't go to the doctor anymore.
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- dragontamer 11y agoObama didn't do that, and I don't think I would support ACA if it were universal healthcare. ACA provides tax-deduction bonuses to people who purchase "high-deductable" plans to encourage people to actually _look_ at the bills they get from the doctor, instead of thinking "My Insurance pays for this anyway. I don't care". That's... about it. Granted, these high-deductable plans have various standards (no preexisting conditions) on them, but at the end of the day, its a mechanism to attempt to bring the free market back into the health care system. Health care remains broken, but at least it is more obvious to consumers now.
- ojbyrne 11y agoGetting rid of the silly Cuba embargo.