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Great decision. It's amazing how quickly gay rights have advanced in the western world. Unfortunately it's still legal in many states to discriminate against e

by agd 11y ago

Great decision. It's amazing how quickly gay rights have advanced in the western world. Unfortunately it's still legal in many states to discriminate against employees on the basis of sexual orientation. Hopefully that's next to be fixed.

toomuchtodo 11y ago
You eat an elephant one bite at a time. EDIT: I did not mean to cause a trainwreck below this comment. It was the quickest way on mobile to communicate "all big problems are tackled one task at a time".
- jackmaney 11y ago
  It helps if you have a lot of people taking bites at once.
- taki1 11y ago
  Yeah, I love Gay Indian Restaurants too!
  - deleted 11y ago
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    - taki1 11y ago
      oh come on, you understood the "eating an elephant" reference, but you don't understand "gay indian restaurant", you will make me cry! What a brute!
- ionforce 11y ago
  Are you calling me an elephant? Now I'll never fit in my wedding dress! /runsaway (guys, it's a joke)
  - corysama 11y ago
    Please note that the HN community takes a rather strict approach when moderating comments that contribute noise to the conversation. "Nice article!" comments are routinely downvoted. As is sarcasm, witticisms, memes, references and other styles of comments that occur frequently but do not add information to the discussion. It's a knowingly doomed attempt to hold back the flood of noise that covers Reddit.
taki1 11y ago
not to mention how hard it is for gays to land a job in early years education. So backwards! The worst are these mothers. Once they see a male working in a Child Care Center there is going to be lawsuit, that's for sure. Gay male employee at Child Care Center? I hope there will be some progress too!
- jessaustin 11y ago
  OK downvoters [EDIT: previously parent post had been grayed-out, now it appears this one is?], do you really not know that this is a thing? Lots of mommies and daddies don't want little Jenny and Billy looked after by a dude. I don't know what being gay has to do with it, except perhaps 'taki1 is telling us that gay dudes are more likely to want to work in child care than straight dudes are. Maybe that's true?
  - taki1 11y ago
    no, no, no. I'm all about individual rights! Each person, whatever their sex is, should have the right to work at a place if they are as qualified as other candidates. If there's a lady who wants to land a job at Child Care Center, and - let's say a Black transgender gay communist - they should have exactly the same chances. But these horrible sexist mothers will allow only other women, preferable white, to take care of their kids! Males stand almost no chances, not to mention race minorities, not to mention sex minorities. This is a true middle-ages dramatic situation of these gays. And again - I'm talking on the individual level. Even if only one gay out of the population of 20% gay in the US currently wants to have a job at a Child Care Center he should have exactly same chances as a single white straigt woman. Wouldn't you agree? I hope you are not a xenophobic racist homophob because that what you are if you give preference to some white woman working at a Child Care to Black Transgender Gay (fe)male.
    - jessaustin 11y ago
      It seems we agree. I was just responding to the (it-seemed-to-me) reflexive downvoting of your previous comment, possibly because people didn't realize that lots of parents are homophobic. I know lots of parents, and they really are homophobic in this way.
ionforce 11y ago
I blame Glee. I say that a bit tongue-in-cheek but it definitely helps to have gay culture and gay icons just out there in the world, melded seamlessly with the rest of society. This includes things like trashy teen comedies and musicals and what not. Having equal marriage rights is just one more step in the right direction of having a more tolerant, loving earth society.
- surge 11y ago
  I blame the Dean, although it's been established he's not gay, that's putting him in a box, he's much more...he's a politician.
  - cygx 11y ago
    He's now known as Archchancellor Henry, you know...
- hackuser 11y ago
  > it definitely helps to have gay culture and gay icons just out there in the world, melded seamlessly with the rest of society. On one hand I agree, but it's never been sufficient. There have been gay icons for a long time (probably forever); Oscar Wilde springs to mind, and Alan Turing (though I don't know if he was well-known to the public). And even with their status, they were still persecuted and ruined.
  - ionforce 11y ago
    But it's another thing to be on Fox (the television channel) and on top of mind for young people. Gay is just an adjective to them, not this twisted idea with hateful baggage. Oh, she has red hair and he's gay. Moving on. It's not really the gay icons as much as it is the gay banality. Having gay just exist in plain sight.
    - hackuser 11y ago
      I'm not sure what to think. Oscar Wilde was, as I understand it, exceptionally well known, the superstar of his day. He might not have had TV to broadcast him, but celebrity existed before TV. Also, there long were celebrities who were black, especially in music and sports (e.g., back in the 1930s, Louis Amrstrong, Duke Ellington, and Joe Louis), and yet racism persisted. Also, everyone knows gay people. On the other hand, I recently saw a survey of Americans that tried to determine how their personal relationships with gay people affected their views of gay marriage. IIRC, around 30% responded they didn't know anyone who is gay. That said it all! (EDIT: I should be clear: My point is that there is no way 30% don't know a gay person; I doubt that's true of 1%. They are just in denial.)
sumedh 11y ago
> It's amazing how quickly gay rights have advanced in the western world. The irony is that in India right now we are using a very old colonial British India law to put gay people in jail.

by agd 11y ago

toomuchtodo 11y ago

You eat an elephant one bite at a time. EDIT: I did not mean to cause a trainwreck below this comment. It was the quickest way on mobile to communicate "all big problems are tackled one task at a time".

jackmaney 11y ago
It helps if you have a lot of people taking bites at once.
taki1 11y ago
Yeah, I love Gay Indian Restaurants too!
- deleted 11y ago
  [deleted]
  - taki1 11y ago
    oh come on, you understood the "eating an elephant" reference, but you don't understand "gay indian restaurant", you will make me cry! What a brute!
ionforce 11y ago
Are you calling me an elephant? Now I'll never fit in my wedding dress! /runsaway (guys, it's a joke)
- corysama 11y ago
  Please note that the HN community takes a rather strict approach when moderating comments that contribute noise to the conversation. "Nice article!" comments are routinely downvoted. As is sarcasm, witticisms, memes, references and other styles of comments that occur frequently but do not add information to the discussion. It's a knowingly doomed attempt to hold back the flood of noise that covers Reddit.

taki1 11y ago

not to mention how hard it is for gays to land a job in early years education. So backwards! The worst are these mothers. Once they see a male working in a Child Care Center there is going to be lawsuit, that's for sure. Gay male employee at Child Care Center? I hope there will be some progress too!

jessaustin 11y ago
OK downvoters [EDIT: previously parent post had been grayed-out, now it appears this one is?], do you really not know that this is a thing? Lots of mommies and daddies don't want little Jenny and Billy looked after by a dude. I don't know what being gay has to do with it, except perhaps 'taki1 is telling us that gay dudes are more likely to want to work in child care than straight dudes are. Maybe that's true?
- taki1 11y ago
  no, no, no. I'm all about individual rights! Each person, whatever their sex is, should have the right to work at a place if they are as qualified as other candidates. If there's a lady who wants to land a job at Child Care Center, and - let's say a Black transgender gay communist - they should have exactly the same chances. But these horrible sexist mothers will allow only other women, preferable white, to take care of their kids! Males stand almost no chances, not to mention race minorities, not to mention sex minorities. This is a true middle-ages dramatic situation of these gays. And again - I'm talking on the individual level. Even if only one gay out of the population of 20% gay in the US currently wants to have a job at a Child Care Center he should have exactly same chances as a single white straigt woman. Wouldn't you agree? I hope you are not a xenophobic racist homophob because that what you are if you give preference to some white woman working at a Child Care to Black Transgender Gay (fe)male.
  - jessaustin 11y ago
    It seems we agree. I was just responding to the (it-seemed-to-me) reflexive downvoting of your previous comment, possibly because people didn't realize that lots of parents are homophobic. I know lots of parents, and they really are homophobic in this way.

ionforce 11y ago

I blame Glee. I say that a bit tongue-in-cheek but it definitely helps to have gay culture and gay icons just out there in the world, melded seamlessly with the rest of society. This includes things like trashy teen comedies and musicals and what not. Having equal marriage rights is just one more step in the right direction of having a more tolerant, loving earth society.

surge 11y ago
I blame the Dean, although it's been established he's not gay, that's putting him in a box, he's much more...he's a politician.
- cygx 11y ago
  He's now known as Archchancellor Henry, you know...
hackuser 11y ago
> it definitely helps to have gay culture and gay icons just out there in the world, melded seamlessly with the rest of society. On one hand I agree, but it's never been sufficient. There have been gay icons for a long time (probably forever); Oscar Wilde springs to mind, and Alan Turing (though I don't know if he was well-known to the public). And even with their status, they were still persecuted and ruined.
- ionforce 11y ago
  But it's another thing to be on Fox (the television channel) and on top of mind for young people. Gay is just an adjective to them, not this twisted idea with hateful baggage. Oh, she has red hair and he's gay. Moving on. It's not really the gay icons as much as it is the gay banality. Having gay just exist in plain sight.
  - hackuser 11y ago
    I'm not sure what to think. Oscar Wilde was, as I understand it, exceptionally well known, the superstar of his day. He might not have had TV to broadcast him, but celebrity existed before TV. Also, there long were celebrities who were black, especially in music and sports (e.g., back in the 1930s, Louis Amrstrong, Duke Ellington, and Joe Louis), and yet racism persisted. Also, everyone knows gay people. On the other hand, I recently saw a survey of Americans that tried to determine how their personal relationships with gay people affected their views of gay marriage. IIRC, around 30% responded they didn't know anyone who is gay. That said it all! (EDIT: I should be clear: My point is that there is no way 30% don't know a gay person; I doubt that's true of 1%. They are just in denial.)

sumedh 11y ago

> It's amazing how quickly gay rights have advanced in the western world. The irony is that in India right now we are using a very old colonial British India law to put gay people in jail.