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https://gist.github.com/steveklabnik/7cd3267a631c4847c34d https://gist.github.com/steveklabnik/7cd3267a631c4847c34d amongst more It is especially troubling to

https://gist.github.com/steveklabnik/7cd3267a631c4847c34d https://gist.github.com/steveklabnik/7cd3267a631c4847c34d amongst more It is especially troubling to have a community leader who equates speech with violence, even "hate" speech, which in that gist is clearly demonstrated to be completely subjective.

Rusky 11y ago
Looks to me like you'll be fine as long as you don't try to legitimize slavery, nazism, or harassment? Is that a problem? /s
- hates_shrooms 11y ago
  Let's extend this to people who try to legitimize gulags, communism, and online mob action. Ban all Rust related shit.
- throw982734 11y ago
  Do you feel that mentioning the existence of slavery legitimizes it? Please do let me know. I won't bother with the rest as it had literally nothing to do with the topic, those examples were brought in as a rhetorical device to bolster what, on examination, was a totally unsupported accusation.
  - lambda 11y ago
    Moldbug did not simply "mention the existence of slavery." He explicitly celebrated it. He talked about it being a natural order. He argued that "the innate character and intelligence of some is more suited to mastery than slavery." This is pure, racist drivel. This is an evil way of thinking. There is a reason that racism, genocide, slavery are so abhorred in the modern world; they are poisonous ideas that have caused some of the largest atrocities history has known. He also explicitly argues for a dictatorship beholden only to landowners: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2009/07/secession-liberty-and-dictatorship.html http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2009/07/seces.... He admits that his influences and design are similar to those of the Nazism and Stalinism. He is a fascist, arguing for a violent dictatorship, and arguing that slavery is a natural order. These are not mere rhetorical devices; this is the core of his argument. His entire argument is steeped in violence.
    - hates_shrooms 11y ago
      > Thus we may charge Carlyle not only with Hitler, but also with Stalin. Both dictators! You see what these dictators do. > Of course, we are on equally safe ground in noting that both Hitler's party and Stalin's originated as political parties, and reading both genocidal maniacs as accidents of democracy. I read Moldburg and I see an intelligent guy exposing the hypocrisies of politics left and right in an erudite, reasoned manner. I read yours and I see outright dumb slurs and lies.
hates_shrooms 11y ago
Lovely. I have a problem with "communists in tech". Perhaps I should organize with my buddies on twitter and write angry emails to corporations that employ them, 'cos, durr hurr, it offends me! And btw, this "legitimizes slavery" is bullshit. This is the article in question. http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2009/07/why-carlyle-matters.html http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2009/07/why-c...
kinghajj 11y ago
That is troubling, but I don't see how that equates to him "suppressing" anyone, if all he's done is voice his own opinions about those people. I haven't really followed the story, but was Steve part of the group that demanded Curtis be removed from StrageLoop?
- hates_shrooms 11y ago
  Worse even. https://archive.is/BtDaA https://archive.is/BtDaA
  - steveklabnik 11y ago
    I wasn't going to respond to this thread at all, but since you went to the trouble of using 100% of your comments on this account to post in this thread, and you're spreading this shenanigans, I'll copy what I said over at Lobste.rs: -------------- [This link] takes a thing I said on Twitter and uses it to say something I don’t mean. My twitter reply re: violence is based on the tweet it’s replying to: general activity by groups who call themselves ‘antifa’. I thought my parent was making a false equivalence, but rather than arguing with them about this false equivalence, I decided to just say ‘cool’ and bow out, hence my response. I believe “antifa are just as violent as the fascists” is wrong on multiple levels, but I don’t really care to get into it here, to be honest. -------------- ... and I still don't. That's all I'll be saying here about this.
    - hates_shrooms 11y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHChPftGDQ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHChPftGDQ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ55KyNrO6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ55KyNrO6A
    - puredemo 11y ago
      Dude, you explicitly said you're "100% okay with [violence] personally" You then said, "the only things fascists respond to is violence. Ignoring them or letting them attack you doesn't help." You then linked to a Woody Allen video where he confidentially states a Nazi march in NYC should be attacked with "bricks and bats" rather than taking a civilized approach against them. You explicitly endorsed violence against political groups you dislike several times, don't try to pretend like you didn't now..

Rusky 11y ago

Looks to me like you'll be fine as long as you don't try to legitimize slavery, nazism, or harassment? Is that a problem? /s

hates_shrooms 11y ago
Let's extend this to people who try to legitimize gulags, communism, and online mob action. Ban all Rust related shit.
throw982734 11y ago
Do you feel that mentioning the existence of slavery legitimizes it? Please do let me know. I won't bother with the rest as it had literally nothing to do with the topic, those examples were brought in as a rhetorical device to bolster what, on examination, was a totally unsupported accusation.
- lambda 11y ago
  Moldbug did not simply "mention the existence of slavery." He explicitly celebrated it. He talked about it being a natural order. He argued that "the innate character and intelligence of some is more suited to mastery than slavery." This is pure, racist drivel. This is an evil way of thinking. There is a reason that racism, genocide, slavery are so abhorred in the modern world; they are poisonous ideas that have caused some of the largest atrocities history has known. He also explicitly argues for a dictatorship beholden only to landowners: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2009/07/secession-liberty-and-dictatorship.html http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2009/07/seces.... He admits that his influences and design are similar to those of the Nazism and Stalinism. He is a fascist, arguing for a violent dictatorship, and arguing that slavery is a natural order. These are not mere rhetorical devices; this is the core of his argument. His entire argument is steeped in violence.
  - hates_shrooms 11y ago
    > Thus we may charge Carlyle not only with Hitler, but also with Stalin. Both dictators! You see what these dictators do. > Of course, we are on equally safe ground in noting that both Hitler's party and Stalin's originated as political parties, and reading both genocidal maniacs as accidents of democracy. I read Moldburg and I see an intelligent guy exposing the hypocrisies of politics left and right in an erudite, reasoned manner. I read yours and I see outright dumb slurs and lies.

hates_shrooms 11y ago

Lovely. I have a problem with "communists in tech". Perhaps I should organize with my buddies on twitter and write angry emails to corporations that employ them, 'cos, durr hurr, it offends me! And btw, this "legitimizes slavery" is bullshit. This is the article in question. http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2009/07/why-carlyle-matters.html http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2009/07/why-c...

kinghajj 11y ago

That is troubling, but I don't see how that equates to him "suppressing" anyone, if all he's done is voice his own opinions about those people. I haven't really followed the story, but was Steve part of the group that demanded Curtis be removed from StrageLoop?

hates_shrooms 11y ago
Worse even. https://archive.is/BtDaA https://archive.is/BtDaA
- steveklabnik 11y ago
  I wasn't going to respond to this thread at all, but since you went to the trouble of using 100% of your comments on this account to post in this thread, and you're spreading this shenanigans, I'll copy what I said over at Lobste.rs: -------------- [This link] takes a thing I said on Twitter and uses it to say something I don’t mean. My twitter reply re: violence is based on the tweet it’s replying to: general activity by groups who call themselves ‘antifa’. I thought my parent was making a false equivalence, but rather than arguing with them about this false equivalence, I decided to just say ‘cool’ and bow out, hence my response. I believe “antifa are just as violent as the fascists” is wrong on multiple levels, but I don’t really care to get into it here, to be honest. -------------- ... and I still don't. That's all I'll be saying here about this.
  - hates_shrooms 11y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHChPftGDQ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHChPftGDQ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ55KyNrO6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ55KyNrO6A
  - puredemo 11y ago
    Dude, you explicitly said you're "100% okay with [violence] personally" You then said, "the only things fascists respond to is violence. Ignoring them or letting them attack you doesn't help." You then linked to a Woody Allen video where he confidentially states a Nazi march in NYC should be attacked with "bricks and bats" rather than taking a civilized approach against them. You explicitly endorsed violence against political groups you dislike several times, don't try to pretend like you didn't now..