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It seems like the problem is at least partly financial. Greece lived beyond its means for years, running a significant trade deficit. The government did not tak
by Pyxl101 11y ago
It seems like the problem is at least partly financial. Greece lived beyond its means for years, running a significant trade deficit. The government did not take appropriate steps for the country to live within its means. The link that you provided about the submarines demonstrates significant irresponsible spending: Greece had twice as many tanks as UK. Why did it buy four new submarines? Did it not at least consider cutting all that pointless military spending?
It also seems like there's a lot of corruption and irresponsible financial policy. For example, Greece's ridiculous policies around early retirement, such as that allow hairdressers, radio or television anchors, and musicians playing wind isntruments to retire at 50 for women, and 55 for men, due to "hazardous working conditions".
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/12/business/global/12pension.html http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/12/business/global/12pension....
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jun/15/unsustainable-futures-greece-pensions-dilemma-explained-financial-crisis-default-eurozone http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jun/15/unsustainabl...
A starting point would be predominately eliminating early retirement, and raising the retirement age to one similar to other countries. It seems like Syriza has been refusing to do that, because the Greek population is pushing them to keep these policies in place. Germany, by comparison, raised its retirement age to 67 years and Spain has done the same. They're talking about raising it to 69. It's understandable if German taxpayers are reluctant to fund Greeks' early retirement (on average, the lowest in Europe).
If Greece and the Greek government wants to embrace reforms, then they need to end corruption and put reasonable policies in place. To be fair, the current article has Greece's finance minister proposing to end early retirement. But, why is this being proposed at the 11th hour, right before default? Why is this part of their proposal to receive further loans, rather than an a voluntary sovereign action that's obviously necessary to correct their economy (independent from any loans)? The fact that Greece hasn't already taken steps like these to reform their economy, and is essentially holding the reforms hostage on further loans, is surely part of the reason why Greece's partners don't trust them. Greece should have put these reforms in place long ago by their own accord. They should have done it in a way that's clearly advertised to their own taxpayers as Greek responsibility for Greek spending, rather than positioning it as part of an agreement that, no doubt, they will say was "forced" on them. All of these facts together give the impression that Greece isn't committed to doing the right thing. Greece's irresponsible spending and financial policy are the responsibility of its government and people. If Greeks want to keep retiring early, OK, but it's understandable that the rest of the Eurozone doesn't want to provide them loans used to fund those pensions.
- atmosx 11y ago> Why did it buy four new submarines? Because it was/is forced too. Geopolitically speaking it's very convenient (and maybe reasonable) to act as if every state is a "sovereign state", but it's not[0]. The submarine (along with a long series of obscure deals involving bribery, etc.) were strongly supported (almost imposed) by Germans as a bargain. > It also seems like there's a lot of corruption and irresponsible financial policy. That's true. There's no beating around the bush, since 1990 spending has been reckless. Basically the EUR gave a free-card access to credit. The entire pension system should be re-structured but at the same time the base salary should be brought up and not down. Young people can not find jobs and they absolutely can not sustain families. The current system is extremely twisted: Usually the elderly of the family receive (well used to receive, before the crisis) boosted pensions with which they support the younger members of the family who are unemployed or underpaid. The fact that the young population has "access" to elderly's money is the only reason you don't see riots around though. The problem is that the reforms already made, slashed a huge chunk of the household's income while not giving anything back (not even hope!) in return. That's why in the end of the day, the majority which suffered from this cuts, is not likely to accept any more reforms. According to the "Financial Times": "main pensions have been slashed 44 to 48 percent since 2010, reducing the average pension to 700 euros a month … About 45 percent of Greek pensioners receive less than 665 euros monthly — below the official poverty threshold." > All of these facts together give the impression that Greece isn't committed to doing the right thing. The problem (for Greeks) is that every single reform imposed by the Troika (or institutions or whatever) are always for the worse and never for the better. After 7 years of implementing reforms dictated from the Troika, I think we can rest assured that they're reform schedule was a failure which drove the public upwards incredibly AND creating a humanitarian crisis. Greece needs a "New Deal"[1] or a "Marshal Plan". But there's no Roosevelt or G. Marshall around, unfortunately. Again, you're taking for granted that the Troika wanted to "help" Greece, but that's far and away from the feeling I have looking at the facts at hand. They'd rather "discuss" with the parties that made all the mistakes you say, instead of a new non-so-corrupted party. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal [0] http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/06/15/germany-is-bluffing-on-greece/ http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/06/15/germany-is-bluffing-o...
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