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Can you point to where this is happening more than the after mentioned over-sensitive, reductivist prima-donnas issues? ( I mean in the context of our industry

by spotman 11y ago

Can you point to where this is happening more than the after mentioned over-sensitive, reductivist prima-donnas issues? ( I mean in the context of our industry ) Dongle Gate / Pronoun Gate / Opal Gate... whats next? Let me guess: I'm an asshole for asking for proof. Sigh.

geofft 11y ago
Do you believe that our industry employs black people (a demographic, which, at least in the US, have been fairly clearly historically discriminated against, until the passage of legal codes of conduct) at a rate commensurate with their relative skill and interest compared to non-black people? http://insights.dice.com/2014/11/11/african-american-it-pros-on-diversity-in-tech/ http://insights.dice.com/2014/11/11/african-american-it-pros... http://money.cnn.com/interactive/technology/tech-diversity-data/ http://money.cnn.com/interactive/technology/tech-diversity-d... http://www.census.gov/prod/2013pubs/acs-24.pdf http://www.census.gov/prod/2013pubs/acs-24.pdf
- SamReidHughes 11y ago
  You'd think a look at employment rates of science and engineering graduates, as seen in your third link, would help, but because of affirmative action that data's kind of spoiled.
  - geofft 11y ago
    OK, sure, but in the absence of affirmative action, are black high schoolers going into science and engineering programs at rates commensurate with their aptitude and interest compared with non-black high schoolers? Obviously we're a bit off-topic from codes of conduct at the moment. But the specific claim I was responding to was that minorities and disadvantaged groups are not being excluded from CS today in the same way as they have been marginalized from society for millennia. You can draw a fairly straightforward line of causality from imperialism and slavery and Reconstruction and Jim Crow to, e.g., why fewer black kids in elementary school learned programming in the '90s via their parents' UNIX account from the local university and reading their parents' textbooks (which is how I originally got into CS as a child, and I've heard similar stories from several of my peers).
    - ralfd 11y ago
      Why then are overproportional so many Asians in IT? They are most often similarly coming from an immigrant background and had no "parents with a UNIX account".
adrianpike 11y ago
Our industry is relatively young, and to reduce your inputs just to "our" industry is a horrible idea. We can learn a lot from history.

by spotman 11y ago

geofft 11y ago

Do you believe that our industry employs black people (a demographic, which, at least in the US, have been fairly clearly historically discriminated against, until the passage of legal codes of conduct) at a rate commensurate with their relative skill and interest compared to non-black people? http://insights.dice.com/2014/11/11/african-american-it-pros-on-diversity-in-tech/ http://insights.dice.com/2014/11/11/african-american-it-pros... http://money.cnn.com/interactive/technology/tech-diversity-data/ http://money.cnn.com/interactive/technology/tech-diversity-d... http://www.census.gov/prod/2013pubs/acs-24.pdf http://www.census.gov/prod/2013pubs/acs-24.pdf

SamReidHughes 11y ago
You'd think a look at employment rates of science and engineering graduates, as seen in your third link, would help, but because of affirmative action that data's kind of spoiled.
- geofft 11y ago
  OK, sure, but in the absence of affirmative action, are black high schoolers going into science and engineering programs at rates commensurate with their aptitude and interest compared with non-black high schoolers? Obviously we're a bit off-topic from codes of conduct at the moment. But the specific claim I was responding to was that minorities and disadvantaged groups are not being excluded from CS today in the same way as they have been marginalized from society for millennia. You can draw a fairly straightforward line of causality from imperialism and slavery and Reconstruction and Jim Crow to, e.g., why fewer black kids in elementary school learned programming in the '90s via their parents' UNIX account from the local university and reading their parents' textbooks (which is how I originally got into CS as a child, and I've heard similar stories from several of my peers).
  - ralfd 11y ago
    Why then are overproportional so many Asians in IT? They are most often similarly coming from an immigrant background and had no "parents with a UNIX account".

adrianpike 11y ago

Our industry is relatively young, and to reduce your inputs just to "our" industry is a horrible idea. We can learn a lot from history.